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you're in the pair cast the gold

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good evening our co-hosts again is Chris

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O'Brien I think that if he keeps doing

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this we might actually have to call him

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co-host but yes we do call him co-host

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yeah this is I'm up over 40 I think now

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they're G no well as I said you're

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getting closer to the gold watch you

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happy of course you know gold plated we

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can't do solid gold because yeah for

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heritage show oh no you know be like one

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carat or something one carat gold that's

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of course you see nowadays gold is so

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expensive the best we can do is one

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carat you know so if I clean it it rubs

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it off right Wow don't clean it you know

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we'll get you one that looks dusty so

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like a dark dusty looking watch does

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anyone know of a dark dusty looking

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watch I've got a watch right here that

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I've had for several years and it's

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black as a black band and it doesn't

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work because it's one of these watches

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with a solar battery so I have to take

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it outside and wait for the battery to

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charge I suppose you know you should get

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one of those automatic ones of just the

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kinetic well yes we need money for those

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but someday somehow we will have the

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money to get one of those watches but

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seriously speaking I thought before we

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get our special guest the international

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director of MUFON Clifford Clift on the

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line we should bring you up-to-date on

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what's going on ladies and gentlemen

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with some of the past shows and some of

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the updates we promise now the weather

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has an help your prospect with the

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webcams has it no unfortunately the San

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Luis Valley when we had that rule super

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cold snap here in Arizona

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it was quite balmy here compared to what

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they went through Alamosa it was I think

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thirty one or two below and I not sure

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what happened but I think the heater

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just couldn't keep up with the cold and

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the camera went down so it's on its way

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to Sony to get repaired hopefully it's

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something that's gonna be easily fixed

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I'm not sure

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what the problem is with it but you know

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we are working on getting a second

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camera up in the Baka right now so

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that's kind of the report on that I I

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did have a very interesting call from

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one of my ranch or skywatcher Network

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and just below the border in New Mexico

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and the San Luis Valley and on january

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9th we had a pretty interesting sighting

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that was seen by two separate witnesses

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about six o'clock and in the evening a a

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fairly long oblong purple colored at UFO

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and over san antone montón and headed

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southeast over Taos kind of headed

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towards Cimarron and we also had a woman

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and her son were traveling up from Taos

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towards tres Piedras and they saw the se

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evidently the same thing unbeknownst to

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one another and then the following day

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on the 10th they had two big Chinooks

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Thunder over their house at less than

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200 feet so when that happened they

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decided to give me a call in report and

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then doing a little bit of digging I

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found out there were other witnesses as

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well so things maybe we may have a

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little upswing of pretty rare winter

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activity in the San Luis Valley

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you know it's pretty rare to have

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sightings during the winter last winter

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was an exception and possibly this

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winter will be one too so well think

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about global warming yeah yeah all right

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30 below doesn't sound like global

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warming to me but you know I there's a

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big threat on the board right now on the

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para cast forums that is really looking

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at at good old Stan Freedmen's comments

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about global warming it kind of created

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a bit of a controversy of course

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nobody's talking about anything else he

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said in a very good to our enemy that we

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had with him they're all just harping on

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the first five minutes of the show which

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hopefully at some point they'll uh

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they'll start asking questions and

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pointing out some of the more

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interesting things that he had to say

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you know through the rest of the

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interview but that's how these forums

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work boy some people they get get on the

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thread and they're just like pit bulls

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they won't let go

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sometimes it takes one phrase one word

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it sets someone off and they go in two

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directions you don't predict speaking of

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basically have consumed our forums over

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the past few months Ted Phillips was

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supposed to set up his website with

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links to information about Marley woods

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and they did a rudimentary kind of caned

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website after a few weeks it's got

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nowhere anything from Ted Phillips about

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this I have not talked to Ted months and

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that's a good reminder for me to go

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ahead and give him a haul or see how

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he's doing see what progress he's made

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there in that investigation that is been

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ongoing for 12 years I I do admire Ted's

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work I think he's one of the true

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you know troopers out there in the field

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and be interesting to see if there's any

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updates that are worthy of reporting

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back with ya because I think in a

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situation like this you know there's so

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much anticipation as soon as he said

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yeah I'm gonna put up a website that

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creates anticipation and it's not the

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song from Carly Simon it's real

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anticipation and it's unfortunate that

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even after all that he hasn't finished

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it and I understand you know you could

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try to get help you know not necessarily

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expensive help maybe a friend or

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relative to make the site for you

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suddenly they have other things to do

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and in everything else done but it's

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unfortunate also race Stanford we were

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talking about when we had them on this

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show about having you help him make

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digital copies yeah I just go nuts

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I have not followed through on that I

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deserve to be spanked thank you sir may

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I have another excuse me we don't want

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to make it seem as if this is part and

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parcel of the way we treat our guests no

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no we don't know spank our guests only

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the co-hosts okay okay so this is to a

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fourth time this week you need to settle

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down Chris we've got to get it straight

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but seriously speaking you know ray

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knows where to find us he could have

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maybe made more than

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initiative to come in our direction and

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work with you to get things done you

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know well I do I do want to download

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those clips because I think that they're

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they're important it's important to

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follow through with with some of the

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data that Ray mentioned and that's

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that's I it's just every time I talked

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to Ray I've got to have three or four

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hours of free time because we just get

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going and he's he's really under the gun

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to get his final submission for his

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paper done so that the new dinosaur that

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he found the only articulated dinosaur

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cast at the skeleton ever found on the

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East Coast to my knowledge is in the

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Smithsonian and he and one of the top

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paleontologists in the world

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Dave why sample are submitting the the

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official papers for the new species to

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be to be accepted into into the

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dinosauria so that's something that's

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really been I think occupying a lot of

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his time I do want to follow through

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though he does have the gear he has the

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tape we have the tools we have the

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talent we should be able to get this one

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put to bed sounds like you were echoing

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the who Hinds from the movie

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ghostbusters we got the tools we got the

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talent and you know what they're talking

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about it Ghostbusters 3 but I think Dan

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Aykroyd would have to lose about a

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hundred pounds to fit into that uniform

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once again well just get Jason and his

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buddy the plumbers oh we're going to be

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more sensible down the earth with our

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show this week we're going to bring our

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MUFON now MUFON we had some state

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representatives from MUFON early on the

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first few episodes of the power cast in

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2006 we had representatives from MUFON

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and we had some state directors and they

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had some very interesting things to

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present a lot of the guests that we have

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had on going like Stanton Friedman work

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with MUFON over the years now to be

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MUFON to me he's always seemed like a

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relic of the 60s and 70s

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they're still active they recently named

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a new international director at Clifford

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Clift and we want to get an update of

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how MUFON works in the 21st century to

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try to bring the UFO mystery home and to

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find a solution so we're hoping that

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when we bring them on they'll answer a

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lot of questions about MUFON about some

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of the problems we've heard they might

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be having you know block considerations

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there and we're hoping that he's going

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to have something to say about it

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well it's good that he's gonna be on the

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show I'm looking forward to it and I

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have yet to meet Clifford but I'm

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looking forward to it Clifford Clift

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international director of MUFON coming

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Anderson president of Midas resources

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one of the world's premier gold and

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precious metal investing firms I get it

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you wouldn't buy gold if you believed

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that the government is doing a great job

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that the Fed will stop handing out

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trillions of dollars like bailout candy

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that Social Security would be there for

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you that's not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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stimulus package wouldn't

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fuel inflation or that the dollar

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wouldn't lose value or that your

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retirement would be secure if all looks

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rosy to you then now is not the time to

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buy gold for the realists there have

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never been more sobering reasons to

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diversify with goal since 2001 the US

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Dollar Index has tanked 30 percent while

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gold has risen 300 percent right now

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savvy investors are adding gold to their

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portfolios you should to find out what

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O'Brien's a co-host I'm Jean Steinberg

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you're in the para cast we welcome

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Clifford Clift he is the international

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director of MUFON thanks for joining us

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on the power cast Thank You Jean and

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Chris it's nice being on your show

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cliff we've asked this question of

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almost every guest because everyone has

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a story what attracted you to UFOs Chris

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and I started real young what about you

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well I did two I started when I was

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about 15 years old working with my

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grandmother with the ground observer

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Corps head back in the early 1950s the

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US Air Force was well the whole country

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was terrified of the Russian nuclear

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capacity and that they may drop a bombs

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on us so we were we were in a very

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fearful time of in the nation was a very

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fearful time because we didn't have the

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radar in the 1950s that we have today

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that was very very limited they set up

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what they call the ground observer Corps

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and these were people that volunteered

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to help the US Air Force

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and the location and the about airplanes

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flying around so they would call alert

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and I was in Eastern Colorado about 15

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like this I wasn't necessarily excited

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about doing this because I was 15 and my

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grandmother and volunteered me to do it

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which was not uncommon they had an alert

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so we went out you know these these

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sites were set up all over the United

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States and we would call in and report

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sightings that we had of aircraft we had

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pictures of all the types of aircraft on

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the wall so he could identify him and we

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would call in and report the sightings

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of the aircraft a very high high jet

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prop Direction speed slow fast that type

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of thing

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and there every time we'd do that we

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would our call sign was probably my red

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one now from I could play I can remember

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that and I'm not sure I know what I had

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for breakfast is beyond me but that was

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our callsign I was standing on the hill

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looking out to the east big full moon

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white fluffy clouds not very many but

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some light fluffy clouds in the fall in

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October I looked to the right and

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something caught my eye

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and it was an object about the size of

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that full moon coming from the southeast

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going to the northwest an extreme rate

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of speed traverse the sky probably in

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six or seven seconds and it was going so

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fast it looked like there might be a

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little bit of a blur on the back end of

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it I was terrified at the time and I

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went in and told my grandmother I said

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we gotta call this in gotta call it she

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told I told her what I had seen so we

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called it in and they bumped us up from

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three people to a major I believe it was

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a major and after hearing the story he

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says well that's what we're looking for

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you can go home now now I don't know

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Jean and Chris if he was placating me or

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if in fact that's what they were looking

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for but it was pretty exciting and that

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piqued my interest in the UFO phenomenon

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from then on and then I joined MUFON

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well I'd studied the UFOs all through my

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life but in

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1995 I joined new fawned came aboard of

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director n't on the International Board

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of Directors in the year 2000 and then

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January of 2010 I became the

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international director that's kind of

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the history of where I am okay let's

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look at where a MUFON was and is now

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when the organization first get started

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it seems to have been here almost

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forever yes it is almost forever since

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for many people because it started in

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the May of 1969 by Walt Andrus and John

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Schuessler and Oakley and these

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gentlemen were the ones that started a

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nightcap had just pretty much gone under

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afro didn't seem to fit the bill for

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Schussler and and Andrus so we moved on

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from there with the mutant organization

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and it's developed to what it is they do

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you regard yourself at all as somewhat

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of a successor to nightcap because of

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the fact that organization kind of you

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know went off the cliff yes I really do

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think so because nightcap was taken over

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our will went under because of a lot of

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financial problems that they had and

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April was the leadership of the aerial

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research phenomenon Lorentz they were

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not real cordial people with everybody

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so that's why Mont new Fon was started

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by Walt Andres and it kept with the

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Gorga's they still is they still do a

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little bit of stuff but not happy still

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around

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yeah you can get that far off the

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internet from them that they post every

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now and then yeah they were reformed as

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an organization like new font you know I

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was wondering about the the interesting

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timing of the end of Project Blue Book

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and then six months later MUFON starts

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I've always felt that that was kind of

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interesting well you know I've never

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looked at it at that with that

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thought in mind but the airforce Project

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Blue Book was somewhat of a publicity

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for the Air Force thing oh yeah we're

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really taking care of things for you and

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we're watching it in fact Project Blue

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Book didn't receive all the good cases

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according to captain rappelled who was

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in charge of the Blue Book for a period

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yeah but that was back in the 1950s was

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that true when rappelled left yeah oh

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yes yeah yeah when oh I'll tell you his

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name here in just a minute

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[Music]

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anyway when he took over everything then

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became planet Venus swamp gas that type

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of thing of course in that time period -

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is when dr. Hynek he flipped when he's

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first started he was a hoaxer for the US

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Air Force he rd bunker he would he would

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come out and everything was Venus or

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swamp gas that type thing but then as he

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got to investigating all of the UFO

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phenomenon as a scientist he then

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realized hey wait a minute there is

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something to this UFO stuff and he

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flipped 180 degrees from a debunker to a

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devout believer so yeah we've got a lot

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of scientists that have stepped forward

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over the years and admitted that this

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needs to there's something to this and

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it needs to have a scientific

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investigation the problem is gene and

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Chris is that scientists don't like to

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put their name to the UFO phenomena it

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has a tendency to discredit them

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professionally well science is all based

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on throwing out anomalies in trying to

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keep your data as consistent as possible

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UFOs do the exact opposite we're

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focusing on the anomalies right yeah you

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would think that they would want to

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research this more but there's there's

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no money and a few few people will fund

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or universities to research UFOs

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matter of fact I know of one very

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substantial person financially who went

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to Dean's of use or went to yeah to the

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president of universe of three

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universities and asked if he funded them

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would they do the research on UFOs let's

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pursue that in our next segment here

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okay here we have Clifford Clift he's

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the international director of the mutual

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UFO network or MUFON our co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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in the para cast ray Perkins a reclusive

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veteran burned out from the Gulf War

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lives tortured by relentless perplexing

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nightmares nightmares of a horrific

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battle in deep space and of a mysterious

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calling across centuries to him then a

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Steinberg you're in the power cast we

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have Clifford Clift of mufon ease

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international director and you were

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telling me about this money person who

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went to universities three of them to

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try to get them to commit to doing UFO

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research projects and and they with

626
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presidents of the universities were all

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for it when they talked to the science

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department the deans of the science

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departments didn't want their name

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associated with the UFO phenomenon so

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the the funding to the University for

632
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these projects was not was not done now

633
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I'm assuming you're talking about Robert

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Bigelow in the unmentioned person person

635
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so yeah that's that's the problem that

636
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we have is the scientific research can

637
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be very limited due to the images that

638
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perceived images of the professors at

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the University uphill battle very much

640
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doesn't that also create the problem

641
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where the caliber of people doing the

642
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investigation can't be as high when you

643
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need scientific research when you need

644
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scientific testing because you have to

645
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basically hire layman or have layman

646
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volunteers do the work that is really a

647
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:53,059
good question and Jean I want to want

648
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you to know that we have stepped up our

649
00:29:02,860 --> 00:28:59,780
investigative techniques significantly

650
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:02,870
we now have electromagnetic equipment

651
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Geiger counters hazmat suits light

652
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meters

653
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:10,730
electric and gravity ometer all kinds of

654
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:14,240
equipment that we can use on cases and

655
00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:16,460
our people are being trained to do this

656
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:19,309
we have a star team which I think

657
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there's about 45 or 50 members now that

658
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:25,610
can be deployed within 24 hours to an

659
00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:27,110
event and we've had a couple of

660
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:29,150
significant events where they in the

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past year that they have been able to

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00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:35,570
get out and do and use the right kind of

663
00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:36,470
equipment now

664
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saying that we have over 50 consultants

665
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:44,900
with PhDs in various disciplines and if

666
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:48,380
we need to run something by them they

667
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:52,070
will check it out more thoroughly we

668
00:29:59,410 --> 00:29:55,940
also have a an organization that will

669
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work with us with scientists to evaluate

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00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:02,510
what are the trace evidence might be or

671
00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:05,930
that type of thing so we do have the

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capability in the last couple of years

673
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,260
last year especially to be able to

674
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really deploy competent and capable

675
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:18,590
people to a UFO event let me ask you

676
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here are having this consulting board of

677
00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:24,680
PhDs etc do they actually physically go

678
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:29,270
to the site of a UFO report or do they

679
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:31,870
do this consulting by email or by

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00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:34,690
research all of the above

681
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:38,960
if one of our groups one of our

682
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scientific group can be there within 24

683
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hours with the top scientists to study

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whatever that happened and usually what

685
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:52,610
that means Jean is it's a category 3

686
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:55,580
which means it's a close proximity of

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landing trace elements and at these on

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00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:00,410
the ground and that type of thing so we

689
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:03,950
do have the wherewithal to get the

690
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:06,710
information scientifically studied are

691
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:08,900
you restricted to the USA or do you go

692
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:10,910
into other countries well we do have

693
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:13,850
members in other countries New Zealand

694
00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:18,850
Australia South Africa the UK Ireland

695
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Turkey and then in South America and

696
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:26,090
many of the countries we don't go from

697
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,480
the u.s. to those events we usually rely

698
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:32,960
on local people that do it many of the

699
00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:35,930
UFO organizations in foreign countries

700
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:39,230
will contact us if they need further

701
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:42,290
information or study of an event so

702
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:45,140
we're able to to work with them through

703
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,690
the Mail's through email presenting

704
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:49,980
information to labs and that type

705
00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:52,980
now as we know a fair number of UFO

706
00:31:58,690 --> 00:31:55,470
sightings are not unexplained they're

707
00:32:01,670 --> 00:31:58,700
due to fairly conventional phenomena

708
00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:01,680
misidentified aircraft planets etc and

709
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:03,300
we also have situations where people

710
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:06,150
simply play hoaxes maybe not that many

711
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:10,740
so have you seen any large number of

712
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:14,400
hoaxes or misidentified phenomena as

713
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:16,590
part of the cases that you look at yes

714
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:18,870
we do as a matter of fact we average 500

715
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:21,650
sighting reports a month to our

716
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:24,510
organization of that five hundred eighty

717
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:27,810
percent or four hundred we can determine

718
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:30,840
that they are a hoax that might be a

719
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:35,400
Blackhawk health it might be a planet

720
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:38,340
planets do cause us a lot of problems

721
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,010
and satellites we have all the satellite

722
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:43,440
maps and the star maps and that type of

723
00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:45,630
thing so we can we can check these out

724
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:49,400
to see so we do prove that about 80% of

725
00:32:57,620 --> 00:32:54,450
the events are something explainable but

726
00:33:00,530 --> 00:32:57,630
there's that 20% or hundred a month that

727
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:00,540
can really make you wonder what's going

728
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:03,590
on and of that hundred we average about

729
00:33:12,050 --> 00:33:09,510
12 reports a month of landings and three

730
00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:12,060
or four each month of enmities on the

731
00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:14,550
ground what about cases like abductions

732
00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:17,160
we do get reports on those we have an

733
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:20,360
abduction committee less Lester Velez is

734
00:33:27,650 --> 00:33:25,620
our deputy director of abductions and he

735
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:27,660
handles all that he's been involved with

736
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,670
I don't know probably a thousand

737
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:32,220
abductions so we do work with people on

738
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,270
the abduction scene and Robert Malou Irv

739
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:39,840
who just passed away was our dr. Lou

740
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:43,380
lure was probably one of the strong

741
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:45,150
supporters of the abduction thing and

742
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:46,710
has done a lot of research we have an

743
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,830
Omega 3 case study that he did with a

744
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,080
hundred people who believed they had

745
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:55,140
been abducted and then his control group

746
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:57,000
was a hundred who either didn't even

747
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,490
know about abductions to any extent or

748
00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:01,440
didn't feel they had been abducted and

749
00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:03,680
it was a pretty good

750
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:06,300
pretty good study that he did and that

751
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:09,480
omega-3 can be obtained from you fond

752
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,910
study and talks about the

753
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:14,460
characteristics of abductees the

754
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:18,090
personality traits and various other

755
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:20,730
aspects so it's yeah we do get involved

756
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:23,250
with the abductions do you feel then

757
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:26,430
that abductions are related to UFOs and

758
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:27,750
the reason I bring that out is because

759
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:30,330
on last week's episode we had Jerome

760
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:33,510
Clark I'm sure you know him and Jerry

761
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:37,440
seems to feel that abductions and a lot

762
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:38,940
of these other incidents fit into a

763
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:42,510
separate category than actual UFO

764
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:46,260
visitations well I wish I could be that

765
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:49,530
definitive about it but I can't there

766
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:51,990
have been too many people that we have

767
00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:54,260
researched and have information

768
00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:58,350
presented to us that indicate that there

769
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:00,450
is a correlation between abductions and

770
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:03,990
UFOs and I have to lean that way because

771
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:07,320
of the evidence well specifically and we

772
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,910
have to break in a moment or two but

773
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:11,340
till we get to that point specifically

774
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:14,370
where do you see that we have this

775
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,260
correlation other than maybe someone

776
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:19,680
sees a thing in the sky before they are

777
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:23,430
abducted is that the correlation no no

778
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:27,330
the correlation is the the well yes I

779
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:28,860
guess that would be true they see

780
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:34,050
something prior to some remember without

781
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,130
hypnosis the event and some under

782
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:40,260
hypnosis remembered the event such as

783
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:45,140
Betty and Barney Hill and Travis Walton

784
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:48,780
and some of the others where they in

785
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:51,740
fact pretty much report the same thing

786
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:55,590
consciously and under hypnosis and it

787
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:01,200
always involves a UFO so the strange

788
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:05,310
thing about it Jean and Kris is that the

789
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,740
abductions I think in just like the UFO

790
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:13,440
sightings we can 80% of them we can

791
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:17,110
determine it's something natural

792
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:19,360
and I think it's the same thing with the

793
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:22,870
abductions I think there are maybe 80% I

794
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,750
don't know the number but we could

795
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:28,140
probably explain psychologically

796
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:30,220
something other than an abduction

797
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,260
although it appeared to have been that

798
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:34,000
to them I'll tell you well we'll pursue

799
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:36,220
this more in a moment first off we want

800
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:37,990
to hear from you tell us what you think

801
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about this show and about the power

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guess in general write us news at the

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power cast calm

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Clifford Clift international director of

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MUFON our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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Clifford Clift international director of

902
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MUFON I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is

903
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Chris O'Brien you're in the power cast

904
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okay Clifford let's look at this further

905
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here now one of the big issues

906
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compelling issues about the abduction

907
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:38,120
scenario is the use of hypnotic

908
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regression for unearthing supposed lost

909
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:44,330
or hidden memories and that's kind of

910
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:46,310
controversial we have UFO researchers

911
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:49,430
who say wait a minute that doesn't

912
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:51,380
happen that doesn't work

913
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,810
regression is controversial especially

914
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over the phone gene especially over the

915
00:42:02,850 --> 00:41:59,840
phone what is your opinion I'm not sure

916
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:02,860
I really understand the question but so

917
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,150
correct me if I'm not answering the

918
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:08,240
right question I you know when you have

919
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:11,330
people that remember the event

920
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:17,080
consciously and it's the same thing as

921
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,400
the event would be the same thing that

922
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:22,160
happens with somebody that had used

923
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,330
hypnotherapy

924
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,880
kind of compelling to indicate that well

925
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:29,160
maybe this does work okay yeah but

926
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:31,170
you're talking about having conscious

927
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:33,000
memories but you have situations where

928
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,070
someone reports so-called missing time

929
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:37,200
suddenly I'm out in the woods I see a

930
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:39,630
flash in the sky it's three hours later

931
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:41,910
I'm driving you home what happened to me

932
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,330
okay so under hypnosis they can under

933
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,160
regression they can go back to that time

934
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:50,160
and and the person will remember a lot

935
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:51,540
of things that they wouldn't have

936
00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:53,340
remembered consciously they may have

937
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been blocked or you know trauma is a

938
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,850
very difficult thing because you know

939
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:01,680
some people in a car wreck they remember

940
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:04,230
seeing the lights and they don't

941
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:05,610
remember anything until they wakes up in

942
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,250
the hospital now under hypnosis they can

943
00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:09,900
take those people back and regress them

944
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:11,790
and find out what happened and it does

945
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:15,750
work it's scientifically okay but if you

946
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:18,420
talk about UFOs then well now I don't

947
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:23,250
know about that so it's difficult for

948
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people to wrap their arms around all of

949
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:29,240
it and it's difficult for me too it's

950
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:32,430
it's a strange phenomenon I can tell you

951
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:34,680
for sure well you're basically what

952
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:35,970
you're saying then is that the UFO

953
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:39,440
subject it kind of if you equate

954
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:42,990
hypnosis and talk about UFOs in the same

955
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,900
breath that it invalidates the

956
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:46,920
effectiveness of something that you

957
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:48,090
consider to be an effective

958
00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:52,230
investigative tool as in the example you

959
00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:54,840
gave of a car accident or possibly a

960
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:57,120
witness to a crime or something so

961
00:44:02,360 --> 00:43:59,010
you're saying that that just the simple

962
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:02,370
fact that the UFO phenomenon is being

963
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:03,660
taught I to abductions you think that

964
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:07,800
that's some somehow I don't know kind of

965
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,760
slandering the whole approach okay

966
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:16,380
that's Chris by the way go ahead oh I'm

967
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:20,730
sorry that's alright okay let's try that

968
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,300
again

969
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,000
I'll rephrase the question so in other

970
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,440
words what I'm hearing as you're saying

971
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that that hypnosis is an effective

972
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,930
investigative tool it's the fact that

973
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:32,880
the UFO subject is being brought into

974
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:36,930
the scenario that is creating possibly

975
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:38,170
people thinking that it's not

976
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:39,880
effective investigative tools simply

977
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:42,010
because it's a UFO event or an abduction

978
00:44:50,610 --> 00:44:45,460
event right yes yes that's that would be

979
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:50,620
very good yeah it's hypnosis works for

980
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:51,910
many things

981
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:55,060
and just because it's involved with

982
00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:56,890
abductions doesn't mean that doesn't

983
00:45:02,250 --> 00:44:59,230
work it just means that that's a

984
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:02,260
different way of using it no I want to

985
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:05,400
go back to the to the star team scenario

986
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:08,380
I'm real curious about you you've been

987
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:10,150
involved now for what about a year and a

988
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:13,090
half with this program with with bass

989
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:15,750
and what does bass stand for again

990
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:20,380
Bigelow advanced aerospace studies okay

991
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:22,510
and so and so Bigelow is funding these

992
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:24,970
these forty 45 people that are

993
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,530
dispatched at a moment's notice as

994
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:27,520
quickly as possible

995
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:30,370
fully armed with all sorts of really

996
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:32,890
cool gear and they get sent out about

997
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:35,650
how many of these cases has the star

998
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:37,540
team gone out an investigator for MUFON

999
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:41,560
okay first of all I've got to clarify

1000
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:52,340
contracted with MUFON for the year of

1001
00:45:58,820 --> 00:45:56,170
2009 and they we had a contract with

1002
00:46:02,520 --> 00:45:58,830
them for two thousand of nine it ended

1003
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:02,530
started February 1st 2009 and ended

1004
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:07,870
January 30th 2010 of this past year so

1005
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:09,910
Bigelow Aerospace is not funding

1006
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:13,000
anything new father's doing now so they

1007
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,640
did just for that period of time just

1008
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,680
for that period of time that's correct

1009
00:46:22,830 --> 00:46:20,230
okay during that period of time what

1010
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:22,840
were you able to accomplish as a result

1011
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:25,330
of that funding okay part of the funding

1012
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:30,550
well the funding of it was we would get

1013
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,130
the good cases - Bigelow

1014
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:35,680
and then his scientists would go out and

1015
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:39,490
evaluate the event they deployed about

1016
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:45,120
three to 36 - I'd say right now 36 to 45

1017
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:47,830
during their contract with us where they

1018
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:50,830
deployed their scientists to evaluate

1019
00:47:07,590 --> 00:46:51,700
the

1020
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:07,600
currently we're averaging about four

1021
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:09,850
deployments a month with our star team

1022
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:12,580
and these volunteers pay for this

1023
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:15,700
himself too by the way which is really a

1024
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:19,030
big commitment you know that's that's

1025
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:21,820
commendable so in other words the

1026
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:23,590
relationship with Bigelow ran its course

1027
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:28,630
and then you've taken the approach as is

1028
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,290
now a MUFON program exclusively and then

1029
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:34,000
you're sending these folks out to these

1030
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:37,120
worthy worthy reports I guess for lack

1031
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:41,560
of a better term yeah meters besides

1032
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:44,110
let's say a landing or close proximity a

1033
00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:47,590
ce3 or are there any other parameters

1034
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:50,790
that kind of trip your your response

1035
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:54,790
team and other than the things that you

1036
00:48:00,210 --> 00:47:56,530
mentioned are there other specifics that

1037
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:00,220
you look for that then prompt you to go

1038
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:04,450
ahead and dispatch a team yes we have

1039
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:08,830
our after the Bigelow contract we could

1040
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:11,590
see the significance of the quick

1041
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:14,590
deployment which was not something that

1042
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:16,900
we were able to do in the past you don't

1043
00:48:21,210 --> 00:48:19,450
have the funding now and you need to do

1044
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:21,220
quick deployments so what do you do not

1045
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:23,470
having the funding to do it that's why I

1046
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:25,990
say that the volunteers the members of

1047
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:28,510
our start team one of the criteria that

1048
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:30,910
they have we have for them is that they

1049
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:35,140
can they can pay for the trip they can

1050
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:37,270
they have the wherewithal to be able to

1051
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:41,200
go out and do the investigation so we do

1052
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:45,000
MUFON itself does pay for lab testing

1053
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,420
mailing and that type of thing as you

1054
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:52,420
know we're a non-profit so we are very

1055
00:48:56,810 --> 00:48:54,970
limited in the funds that we have so we

1056
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:56,820
have to be very diligent in how we

1057
00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:00,820
disperse funds but that's yeah the

1058
00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:02,680
volunteers are the ones that do it and

1059
00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:04,840
they pay for it themselves

1060
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:07,120
so they're divided up into regional sort

1061
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:09,160
of regions and if something happens and

1062
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:11,260
take the region you know you have a list

1063
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:13,810
of people that are so-called star team

1064
00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:15,370
members and then you would call them and

1065
00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:16,600
they would shoot out from where they

1066
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:19,360
were that's exactly right

1067
00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:22,990
they've we have eight regions and people

1068
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:25,060
in each of the eight regions that would

1069
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:29,740
can deploy we have had two significant

1070
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:32,710
events that have happened star

1071
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:35,700
Colette's key is our star team manager

1072
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:39,060
this lady is a phenomenon in

1073
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:43,030
organizational skills and motivation of

1074
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:46,690
people she retired from the Department

1075
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:52,360
of Defense a while back and her last job

1076
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:55,710
was the deploying of Marines to

1077
00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:58,450
Afghanistan and Iraq preparing them to

1078
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:01,630
go and getting them lined out so this

1079
00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:04,770
woman's credentials are just outstanding

1080
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:07,870
she developed what we call category 1

1081
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:12,100
category 2 in category 3 the category 1

1082
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:14,710
is the one where we have lights in this

1083
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,070
guy you know that's those are so tough

1084
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:20,460
to investigate this is like the original

1085
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,170
terminology that dr. Hynek used Close

1086
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:25,380
Encounters well first kind second third

1087
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:30,460
yes but it it is more inclusive than his

1088
00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:34,120
his is more definitive as to what

1089
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:37,600
exactly the sightings are this is more

1090
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:41,800
of a larger group so our category 2 then

1091
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:45,670
is a close proximity and maybe multiple

1092
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:48,660
witnesses and the category 3 is a

1093
00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:50,440
significant event where there's a

1094
00:50:57,690 --> 00:50:54,750
landing and Adi seen Close Encounters

1095
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,700
that type of thing and like I say we

1096
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:59,680
just have deployed on two of those in

1097
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:02,940
the past six months as a matter of fact

1098
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:06,190
start our star team manager chase

1099
00:51:13,610 --> 00:51:09,370
Claudette Suki had a category one case

1100
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:13,620
in Tennessee where the the the farmer

1101
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:17,440
local businessman and farmer kept seeing

1102
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:19,360
these lights and reported

1103
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:22,900
well after three or four times she

1104
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:24,370
thought well maybe I better go look at

1105
00:51:27,810 --> 00:51:26,470
this because the guy kept calm he says

1106
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:27,820
they can't least like to come every

1107
00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:29,740
night right out of work cornfield I'll

1108
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:31,000
tell you what we'll return to the

1109
00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:33,370
cornfield the moment we have Clifford

1110
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:35,380
Clift of MUFON the international

1111
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:37,480
director our co-host is Chris O'Brien

1112
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:39,850
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:22,720
have you ever wondered why banks

1129
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:24,550
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

1130
00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:25,930
talk about gold IRAs

1131
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:28,060
they've been available since 1986 yet

1132
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:29,800
the financial industry won't recognize

1133
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:31,330
the value of gold for your retirement

1134
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1135
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yet no word about IRAs if you would like

1136
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806-853-9949

1137
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:09,020
we return with more from Clifford cliff

1138
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,590
the International director of MUFON

1139
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:13,380
mutual UFO network your co-host is Chris

1140
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:16,530
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

1141
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:19,260
power cast of course and returned to the

1142
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:22,500
cornfield in Tennessee is it yes okay

1143
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:25,530
so chase figured this was a category one

1144
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:27,090
because it was lights in the sky type

1145
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,220
thing but after this guy called the

1146
00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:31,470
third time she decided well I better go

1147
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,480
so she got another field investigator

1148
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:36,000
they met with a guy in the evening they

1149
00:53:40,610 --> 00:53:37,710
went out to the corn field corn was

1150
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:40,620
probably just been planted it was last

1151
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:43,740
spring and we just now have got the

1152
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:45,240
information that's why it's just being

1153
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:48,300
told all of the information and chase

1154
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:49,770
said well okay so they went out and

1155
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:52,350
loaded up in his pickup and they drove

1156
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:54,690
out to the field and she has all the

1157
00:54:00,860 --> 00:53:57,660
infrared equipment infrared camcorders

1158
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:00,870
and digital cameras and magnetometers

1159
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:03,090
and graviton others and geiger counters

1160
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:06,750
all battery run so they she was setting

1161
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:08,430
all this stuff up and just they were

1162
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:10,620
getting it set up farmer says well here

1163
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:12,540
they come and then they started seeing

1164
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:16,920
these lights one of the lights came got

1165
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:18,300
bigger and bigger and came over it was a

1166
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,940
triangle that came over the top of him

1167
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:23,460
about 500 feet somewhere in that

1168
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:26,010
neighborhood and she wanted to get

1169
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:27,570
pictures of it so she ran for the

1170
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:29,370
cameras and all the batteries are dead

1171
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:31,650
and all of the equipment that they had

1172
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:35,280
which is not uncommon for a close

1173
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:37,710
encounter I hate when that happens

1174
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:42,540
yeah so the object was very silent and

1175
00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:45,900
then it just took off and then and it's

1176
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,580
I don't know which direction but it just

1177
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,640
took off so I thought well let's start

1178
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:53,280
loading up our stuff because it looked

1179
00:54:58,550 --> 00:54:55,740
like they're gone for the night chase

1180
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:58,560
said she had this overwhelming sense of

1181
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:01,650
fear come over her as if somebody was

1182
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:03,480
watching her something there was

1183
00:55:08,660 --> 00:55:05,610
something very fearful and frightening

1184
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:08,670
to her and as they're going toward the

1185
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,690
pick up the the farmer turned around and

1186
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:14,460
looked back at the area and shined his

1187
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:16,980
light and they're within a 10 feet of

1188
00:55:19,099 --> 00:55:17,339
him was

1189
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,109
this being that was about three foot

1190
00:55:25,089 --> 00:55:22,559
tall standing there looking at him also

1191
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:25,099
love them all three of them had this

1192
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:29,160
horrible sense of fear and dread which

1193
00:55:36,229 --> 00:55:32,910
is you know I'd be scared that I

1194
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:36,239
wouldn't be have this sense of dread the

1195
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,430
chase feels like she had in the

1196
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,460
situation and the other two so they

1197
00:55:46,479 --> 00:55:43,200
threw the stuff in the back to pick up

1198
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:46,489
took off and they broke out and

1199
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:48,690
hysterical laughter which is not

1200
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,859
uncommon through fear and then about ten

1201
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:54,900
minutes later they thought oh we're

1202
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,440
investigators never go back because the

1203
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:00,420
fence sense of dread and fear left so

1204
00:56:05,299 --> 00:56:03,089
they went back they couldn't find

1205
00:56:07,969 --> 00:56:05,309
anything or any any beings there but the

1206
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:07,979
lights were then over in some trees on

1207
00:56:13,479 --> 00:56:10,380
the other side of the field moving

1208
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:13,489
around through the trees now I

1209
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:17,099
personally would have a difficult time

1210
00:56:23,209 --> 00:56:19,880
believing this if it were one person

1211
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:23,219
when you have three people and one

1212
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,099
person who is probably one of the top

1213
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:28,799
investigators formu fajn involved in

1214
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:31,410
this we usually are after the fact not

1215
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:34,650
during the event this was very exciting

1216
00:56:42,229 --> 00:56:39,059
for us so that that that's one that

1217
00:56:45,799 --> 00:56:42,239
probably is the best cat3 that we've had

1218
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:45,809
in the past six eight months we had one

1219
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:50,880
just week or so ago in Florida or police

1220
00:56:54,979 --> 00:56:53,160
officer just came home from vacation

1221
00:56:59,479 --> 00:56:54,989
that was letting this dog out in the

1222
00:57:01,880 --> 00:56:59,489
backyard and as he opened the door this

1223
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:01,890
orange object was sitting in his

1224
00:57:06,739 --> 00:57:04,200
backyard and went flying up out of the

1225
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:06,749
into the sky real quick left trace

1226
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:08,849
elements we're working on that one I

1227
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:12,529
just saw the pictures this morning of

1228
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:16,920
the event where the where the event

1229
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:21,089
happened in the backyard this was pretty

1230
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:26,700
an exciting event and we have made a

1231
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:29,339
grid of the area or the investigators

1232
00:57:33,319 --> 00:57:30,990
made a grid of the area

1233
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:33,329
took samples the samples have been

1234
00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:36,050
submitted to our labs for analysis and

1235
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:40,230
we have definite there now appears to

1236
00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:43,170
have been two objects that were there in

1237
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,470
the yard so that's those are what our

1238
00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:49,200
cat trees are about and these are the

1239
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,480
ones that are really exciting and ones

1240
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:54,480
we like to be able to investigate now

1241
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:55,650
before we get into some more of those

1242
00:58:02,049 --> 00:57:57,569
case histories maybe tell us overall

1243
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:02,059
does MUFON have a specific corporate

1244
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:05,010
organizational opinion as to what UFOs

1245
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:10,760
are we believe that yes they are

1246
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:14,400
something from out of this world let's

1247
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:17,700
put it that way okay so you're saying

1248
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:19,710
another planet another dimension another

1249
00:58:27,859 --> 00:58:24,960
time what yes there is strong evidence

1250
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:27,869
Jacques Soleil believes that they're

1251
00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:30,359
interdimensional and there are others

1252
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:34,140
that believe that I don't know that they

1253
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:36,059
are and I don't know that they aren't

1254
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:38,280
there is strong evidence that they may

1255
00:58:43,809 --> 00:58:42,450
be interdimensional well you consider

1256
00:58:46,089 --> 00:58:43,819
the strong evidence about

1257
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:46,099
interdimensional as opposed to

1258
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,170
interplanetary or interstellar well I

1259
00:58:53,299 --> 00:58:51,540
think they're all the same I think

1260
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:53,309
they're interplanetary with

1261
00:59:00,020 --> 00:58:56,940
interdimensional capabilities you know

1262
00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:00,030
what does interdimensional mean that the

1263
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,000
decimation of that word has me stumped

1264
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:04,559
because there are so many different

1265
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:06,750
opinions as to what interdimensional

1266
00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:08,520
means some people believe

1267
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,680
interdimensional means it's a parallel

1268
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:11,520
universe

1269
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:13,650
some people mean that it's associated

1270
00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:19,049
with time travel so I until I can have a

1271
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:22,819
definite definition as to what

1272
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:26,099
interdimensional means I don't know what

1273
00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:28,230
to say other than the fact that we have

1274
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:32,549
evidence of people of multiple witnesses

1275
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:37,559
watching a UFO within 500 feet within

1276
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:41,880
200 feet seeing a gray metallic object

1277
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:44,050
and then it just disappears

1278
00:59:48,790 --> 00:59:47,090
all right now expanding that here what

1279
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:48,800
about some of the other events that seem

1280
00:59:53,110 --> 00:59:50,990
to occur in regions where UFOs are

1281
00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:53,120
frequently seen talking about Bigfoot

1282
00:59:57,790 --> 00:59:55,180
strange creatures of that nature

1283
00:59:59,920 --> 00:59:57,800
poltergeist phenomena all sorts of

1284
01:00:02,560 --> 00:59:59,930
events do you feel they're related as

1285
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,570
part of one thing or just well if you're

1286
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:04,880
exploring one particular event there's

1287
01:00:09,790 --> 01:00:06,200
always something else to look at

1288
01:00:15,010 --> 01:00:09,800
wherever you go yeah there does seem to

1289
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:15,020
be evidence that the polar guys the

1290
01:00:22,570 --> 01:00:19,970
Bigfoot and crop circles mutilations all

1291
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:22,580
have an association with the UFO

1292
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:27,230
phenomenon and to what extent gene and

1293
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:31,270
Chris that is such so difficult for us

1294
01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:34,010
where we are mentally and spiritually

1295
01:00:42,130 --> 01:00:38,030
right now to understand us meaning civil

1296
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,140
as our civilization our culture doesn't

1297
01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:44,000
mean they don't exist it just means that

1298
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:47,000
I think maybe they do maybe they don't

1299
01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:49,090
but whatever it is it's a very difficult

1300
01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:52,340
understanding for us so in other words

1301
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:54,020
you do see some sort of correlation a

1302
01:01:00,030 --> 01:00:56,510
relationship potentially between these

1303
01:01:02,110 --> 01:01:00,040
divergent different phenomena yes I do

1304
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:02,120
that's interesting because that's kind

1305
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:03,890
of a departure from MUFON that's not

1306
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,060
always been the case there well it's

1307
01:01:13,450 --> 01:01:09,920
there are some members of our board that

1308
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:13,460
are nuts and bolts there are some

1309
01:01:18,610 --> 01:01:15,170
members of our board that are maybe a

1310
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,620
more open I think we have Lee we are

1311
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:21,440
leaning more to toward these other

1312
01:01:28,350 --> 01:01:24,410
aspects of the UFO phenomenon because

1313
01:01:31,930 --> 01:01:28,360
evidence and research appears to be

1314
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:31,940
indicating that so I think I applaud

1315
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:35,180
that yeah okay so you're willing to look

1316
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:38,260
further into this mystery look at other

1317
01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:42,200
possibilities that the UFO binning is a

1318
01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:43,460
lot more complicated

1319
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:45,470
what about window areas areas that seem

1320
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:47,930
to attract more power on offense what do

1321
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:49,940
you think about those yeah there does

1322
01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:53,750
seem to be portals of activity the

1323
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:56,180
skinwalker ranch in Utah that Bigelow

1324
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,809
owned

1325
01:02:03,910 --> 01:01:59,220
scientific research done there pictures

1326
01:02:07,099 --> 01:02:03,920
taken of what appear to be portals and

1327
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:07,109
into another dimension if you go into

1328
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:09,930
the dimension of sponsors saying where's

1329
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:11,730
my message where's my message you hear

1330
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:14,760
that conveyed psychically Clifford Clift

1331
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:17,490
international director of MUFON joins us

1332
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:18,930
if you'd like to get involved in

1333
01:02:22,849 --> 01:02:21,089
discussions about the power cast we

1334
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:22,859
invite you to join our forums for

1335
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:24,390
America's calm

1336
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:27,240
that's forum dot para cast calm all you

1337
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,030
have to do to sign up is give yourself a

1338
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,160
unique username you can't use gene

1339
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:34,440
Steinberg because I took that already

1340
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:36,660
but you can pick a name and then you can

1341
01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:39,240
get involved in the discussions the

1342
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:41,220
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1343
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:49,950
Steinberg you're in the para cast hi

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we returned with Clifford cliffs

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international director of MUFON the

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:34,940
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1452
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:37,610
Steinberger in the para cast and we're

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01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:39,170
exploring what appears to be an

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01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:41,900
expansion a very big expansion of the

1455
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:44,600
coverage of MUFON now here's an

1456
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:45,890
important thing to bring up the

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organization started in 1969 which means

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you've been around now for what 41 years

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:07:56,840
yeah 41 protune 42 that's correct okay

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:00,170
after 41 years you've been investigating

1461
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:02,090
UFOs trying to figure out what's going

1462
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:04,010
on do you think you've learned anything

1463
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:07,610
yet definitive that they are from the

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:11,990
Pleiades or from Zeta Reticuli or that

1465
01:08:17,769 --> 01:08:15,050
they're from some other place no do we

1466
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:17,779
know they exist in my opinion yes they

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:21,370
do exist and they're not of this earth I

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01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:24,170
also believe that there are things that

1469
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:27,230
we do not understand about them that is

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01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:29,750
there's so much further advanced than we

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01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:33,140
are and because of the research that we

1472
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:35,089
have done the evidence we have collected

1473
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:38,140
there is such a strong indication that

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01:08:47,519 --> 01:08:42,290
they are interplanetary vehicles of some

1475
01:08:52,210 --> 01:08:47,529
type that yes I think that do we have a

1476
01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:52,220
captured UFO in our museum no do we have

1477
01:09:00,280 --> 01:08:56,390
parts of it possibly there are some

1478
01:09:02,289 --> 01:09:00,290
evidence that material that we have had

1479
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,299
analyzed that couldn't possibly have

1480
01:09:08,650 --> 01:09:05,600
been made on earth it's a time that was

1481
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:08,660
we they were discovered trace evidence

1482
01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:12,380
such as the 3,000 cases Ted Phillips has

1483
01:09:18,999 --> 01:09:15,380
reviewed have indicated very strongly

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01:09:20,499 --> 01:09:19,009
that these are physical craft now I want

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01:09:22,780 --> 01:09:20,509
to ask you about something that you

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01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:22,790
mentioned earlier yes about the window

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01:09:27,550 --> 01:09:26,120
areas various I'm gonna hit one and of

1488
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:27,560
course Chris is going to hit some others

1489
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:30,830
crop circles now we had mark Pilkington

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01:09:34,780 --> 01:09:32,180
on the show author of this book called

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01:09:36,670 --> 01:09:34,790
Mirage man and he claims to be I guess

1492
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:36,680
one of the people behind crop circles

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01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:38,660
that crop circles in large part are done

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01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,380
by earth people not under alien control

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:45,440
do you disagree no I agree that many of

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01:09:50,650 --> 01:09:48,170
them are hoaxes but you can't there's

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01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:50,660
not enough people to make hundreds of

1498
01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:53,600
them every year maybe thousands across

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01:09:59,860 --> 01:09:56,630
the earth that have the capability of

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01:10:02,500 --> 01:09:59,870
making the intricate designs that are

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01:10:06,430 --> 01:10:02,510
involved with some of the crop circles

1502
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:06,440
Nancy Talbot from the BLT Institute told

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01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:09,230
me one time that she has discovered that

1504
01:10:14,620 --> 01:10:11,750
with crop circles the center of the

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:14,630
circle of the ones that are not hoaxed

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01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:17,930
is offset from the center which was very

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:19,790
difficult for somebody to do if you're

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:21,050
going to make a circle you have to start

1509
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:23,810
in the center but the ones that haven't

1510
01:10:30,190 --> 01:10:26,090
been hope seem to not have the center of

1511
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,200
a circle in the center we had one group

1512
01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:32,960
of people a pilot was taking off in

1513
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:35,150
England and he got the end of the runway

1514
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:37,370
early in the morning and there was a

1515
01:10:41,290 --> 01:10:39,410
rapeseed field the end of the runway and

1516
01:10:44,170 --> 01:10:41,300
he took off and he noticed how pretty it

1517
01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:44,180
was and early morning light he flew

1518
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:46,430
around for about half hour an hour and

1519
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:49,190
came back to landed when the chain so he

1520
01:10:54,730 --> 01:10:51,310
landed at the same way had taken off and

1521
01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:54,740
there was this extremely intricate crop

1522
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:56,120
circle at the end of the runway

1523
01:11:01,630 --> 01:10:58,280
well now hoaxer is not going to be able

1524
01:11:04,030 --> 01:11:01,640
to do that not in an hour we have had

1525
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:04,040
people engineering companies look at

1526
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:06,230
some of the crop circles and ask if they

1527
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:08,450
could duplicate that and they said yeah

1528
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:10,730
if we work 24 hours a day for two weeks

1529
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:13,310
we can duplicate it now when you get

1530
01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:15,080
that kind of information there's not

1531
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:16,820
gonna be some guys from the bar going

1532
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:19,820
out at midnight and tromping around in a

1533
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:21,560
field of making a crop circle that

1534
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:25,280
intricate and that that neat now how it

1535
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:27,410
was made we don't know seems to be

1536
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,830
electromagnetic aspect of something but

1537
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:32,480
we do feel that they are involved with

1538
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:36,830
UFO phenomenon well I've heard someone

1539
01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:38,810
pretty high up and the Rockefeller

1540
01:11:43,630 --> 01:11:40,760
organization mentioned to me as an aside

1541
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:43,640
that they they couldn't believe that the

1542
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,740
Lawrence was into crop circles because

1543
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:48,320
you and I Chris both know that this is

1544
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:49,820
British intelligence doing this from

1545
01:11:56,299 --> 01:11:53,930
space and I said we do and he says oh

1546
01:11:59,099 --> 01:11:56,309
yeah come on you didn't know

1547
01:12:00,089 --> 01:11:59,109
hehe made it sound so so matter-of-fact

1548
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:00,099
then I saw wait a minute what about

1549
01:12:04,169 --> 01:12:02,050
atmospheric lensing how do you do

1550
01:12:05,969 --> 01:12:04,179
something like that you know through

1551
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:05,979
miles and miles of thick area go so

1552
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:07,530
they've they've got the capabilities to

1553
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:11,530
to totally negate that I said well okay

1554
01:12:15,179 --> 01:12:13,030
whatever I've never heard that one

1555
01:12:17,639 --> 01:12:15,189
before but yeah well they they must do

1556
01:12:21,389 --> 01:12:17,649
it in Russia in the US and Germany and

1557
01:12:25,049 --> 01:12:21,399
other countries too might be a most most

1558
01:12:26,849 --> 01:12:25,059
ear real complicated design you know 99%

1559
01:12:28,889 --> 01:12:26,859
of them are done in England where

1560
01:12:30,029 --> 01:12:28,899
they've had more time to practice I'm

1561
01:12:32,009 --> 01:12:30,039
gonna get back to the whole idea of

1562
01:12:34,049 --> 01:12:32,019
window areas you made a very intriguing

1563
01:12:36,929 --> 01:12:34,059
comment that the scientists at the big

1564
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:36,939
low ranch when Utah had photographed one

1565
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,249
of these portals now that's news to me

1566
01:12:44,939 --> 01:12:42,159
I'd like to for you to amplify on that a

1567
01:12:47,489 --> 01:12:44,949
little bit everything that's about all I

1568
01:12:49,949 --> 01:12:47,499
can do is just report what have you read

1569
01:12:53,489 --> 01:12:49,959
the book skinwalker I was the first

1570
01:12:55,589 --> 01:12:53,499
investigator up there you were yeah and

1571
01:12:59,639 --> 01:12:55,599
this is Chris this is not gene although

1572
01:13:01,770 --> 01:12:59,649
I guess that's right everyone does that

1573
01:13:04,379 --> 01:13:01,780
they think we look alike although there

1574
01:13:08,609 --> 01:13:04,389
can be no larger difference between us

1575
01:13:11,129 --> 01:13:08,619
we are instantly recognizable nice Chris

1576
01:13:13,829 --> 01:13:11,139
even though he's 120 miles away I can

1577
01:13:16,619 --> 01:13:13,839
see him right now I actually got to know

1578
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:16,629
Terry Sherman pretty well and was on the

1579
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:18,760
phone with him when some of the events

1580
01:13:24,020 --> 01:13:21,129
that were reported in George & Colmes

1581
01:13:26,849 --> 01:13:24,030
book were actually occurring and

1582
01:13:29,609 --> 01:13:26,859
including the the event where the the

1583
01:13:33,059 --> 01:13:29,619
dogs ran out chasing after the blue the

1584
01:13:34,619 --> 01:13:33,069
blue light and ended up becoming grease

1585
01:13:37,859 --> 01:13:34,629
piles I was on the phone with them when

1586
01:13:39,089 --> 01:13:37,869
that event happened you made a very

1587
01:13:40,949 --> 01:13:39,099
interesting comment that those

1588
01:13:43,109 --> 01:13:40,959
scientists had photographed one of these

1589
01:13:45,509 --> 01:13:43,119
portals do you know if Bigelow is ever

1590
01:13:47,609 --> 01:13:45,519
gonna publish ten years worth of data

1591
01:13:49,349 --> 01:13:47,619
that they have been slowly accumulating

1592
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:49,359
up there has he ever talked to you about

1593
01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:50,260
that

1594
01:13:54,929 --> 01:13:52,479
no but based on the information I know

1595
01:13:56,819 --> 01:13:54,939
about him I doubt if it will be reported

1596
01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:56,829
it will be released to the public

1597
01:14:00,719 --> 01:13:58,510
how's it what do you think about that

1598
01:14:02,669 --> 01:14:00,729
MUFON is like tries to be as transparent

1599
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:02,679
as possible and yet here you're dealing

1600
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:03,280
with somebody

1601
01:14:08,459 --> 01:14:04,150
who

1602
01:14:09,860 --> 01:14:08,469
is so close to the vest that you know he

1603
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:09,870
might as well have his hand in his chest

1604
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:13,780
I mean what do you think about that do

1605
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:15,610
you think that the human race or the

1606
01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:17,770
public has a right to know or just

1607
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:19,480
because he's got a lot of money and and

1608
01:14:23,939 --> 01:14:21,610
can call the shots that did that's

1609
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:23,949
proprietary information what are your

1610
01:14:30,419 --> 01:14:28,480
feelings on that I do I feel that if he

1611
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:30,429
spent the money and bought the material

1612
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:32,020
and that's his he can do with the busy

1613
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wants I don't agree with it but I feel

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he has the right to do that okay

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what other window areas have has MUFON

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identified or have you identified what

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other areas around the country do you

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feel may even rate some sort of 24/7

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sort of I don't know just kind of

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watching it 24/7 are there any other

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areas we feel that they're based on what

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01:14:59,820 --> 01:14:57,790
Ted Phillips has done in the Marley

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woods in Missouri that this could

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possibly be another portal area the

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Native Americans on some of the

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reservation the land feel that there are

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portals in the southwest and so that

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that's what I'm talking about right no

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01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:17,469
yeah but as far as definitive

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01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:22,150
information Jean and Chris I we do not

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have that type of information the best

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information we have is from skinwalker

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ranch I'll tell you what we'll get into

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more of this and questions from our

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listeners in our next segment we have

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Clifford Clift

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he's the international director of MUFON

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the mutual UFO network Chris O'Brien is

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Mosely editor or a sausage smear and I'm

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here to say a good word or two about the

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Clifford Clift is our guest from MUFON

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and I mentioned earlier in the show that

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we had some of the state directors to

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MUFON early on in 2006 on the power cast

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not so much lately

1756
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:36,860
we're remedying that because we've had

1757
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,050
mr. cliffs predecessor on the show and

1758
01:20:43,390 --> 01:20:41,120
now Clifford has come on the show now

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01:20:44,919 --> 01:20:43,400
there's one other aspect I want to bring

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01:20:47,050 --> 01:20:44,929
up and sometimes these things aren't

1761
01:20:49,450 --> 01:20:47,060
things you want to mention but there

1762
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:49,460
were reports and maybe it's when James

1763
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:52,850
carrion left the organization and that

1764
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:55,160
is there were reports that there was

1765
01:21:01,120 --> 01:20:58,370
some kind of shake-up or conflict within

1766
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,130
the MUFON structure what can you say

1767
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,440
about that I can't say too much about it

1768
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:05,360
because there's not much that much to

1769
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:09,650
say we James left the organization in

1770
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:12,800
January of 2010 he was upset with the

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board of directors in the direction that

1772
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:17,840
we wanted to go that's perfectly fine

1773
01:21:22,270 --> 01:21:20,330
okay was he upset about it what

1774
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:22,280
direction did you want to go into that

1775
01:21:28,540 --> 01:21:24,410
he didn't go for I'm not going to talk

1776
01:21:33,070 --> 01:21:28,550
about that it was let's let us just say

1777
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:33,080
that James is probably one of the finest

1778
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:37,250
field investigators but his philosophy

1779
01:21:45,370 --> 01:21:42,410
now appears to changed to for the his

1780
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:45,380
belief that the UFOs don't exist the

1781
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:48,980
common optic as it were yes that yes

1782
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:50,690
he's because yes thank you for saying

1783
01:21:57,220 --> 01:21:54,410
that he's he's become more skeptical and

1784
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,230
said this didn't bode well with the

1785
01:22:01,300 --> 01:21:59,360
direction that we need to go well you

1786
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:01,310
can have a skeptic or can

1787
01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:03,310
you as the head of the organization oh

1788
01:22:12,250 --> 01:22:08,900
well skeptics are important I'm

1789
01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:12,260
skeptical of many of the events but when

1790
01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:18,230
skepticism goes beyond the pale and that

1791
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:21,560
that doesn't bode well for new pond well

1792
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:23,510
one of the things I noticed around the

1793
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:26,210
end of his tenure going into you know

1794
01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:28,910
his stepping down that he he seemed to

1795
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:32,870
be much more focused on secret military

1796
01:22:36,610 --> 01:22:34,880
technology as being behind many of these

1797
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:36,620
sightings is that is that what you're

1798
01:22:41,230 --> 01:22:37,130
referring to

1799
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:41,240
yep well that's um an important point

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01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:42,590
two of the sightings that you've

1801
01:22:47,980 --> 01:22:45,230
researched the stuff that appears to be

1802
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,990
conventional do you see evidence that

1803
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:50,800
maybe a fair number of secret military

1804
01:22:56,050 --> 01:22:53,690
aircraft is being sighted and I guess we

1805
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,060
point to area 51 as a place where they

1806
01:23:03,970 --> 01:22:59,120
might be tested yes we do think that

1807
01:23:07,570 --> 01:23:03,980
there are many of not many can't say

1808
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:07,580
that because it's not many but a few of

1809
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:15,610
black ops military craft

1810
01:23:25,870 --> 01:23:21,440
and once that probably my opinion have

1811
01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:25,880
been back engineered from UFOs well what

1812
01:23:31,630 --> 01:23:27,560
what evidence we have of that do we have

1813
01:23:35,620 --> 01:23:31,640
any evidence at all is that a yes we do

1814
01:23:39,490 --> 01:23:35,630
feel that the UFOs have some type of

1815
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:39,500
anti-gravity technology among other

1816
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:41,230
things

1817
01:23:48,010 --> 01:23:44,270
James aviation came out and said the b-2

1818
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bomber was engines were not large enough

1819
01:23:59,380 --> 01:23:55,910
to do to lift and maintain the craft in

1820
01:24:03,160 --> 01:23:59,390
the manner which it does work there is

1821
01:24:05,530 --> 01:24:03,170
belief now that there is anti-gravity

1822
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,540
technology used in the b-2 bomber which

1823
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:07,520
requires electricity on the front

1824
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:11,330
leading edges of blings and beyond that

1825
01:24:15,010 --> 01:24:13,970
I am NOT engineer enough or scientists

1826
01:24:17,170 --> 01:24:15,020
enough to

1827
01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:17,180
to elaborate okay what you're saying

1828
01:24:22,180 --> 01:24:20,030
relief here are you talking about one

1829
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:22,190
person saying this or can you show a

1830
01:24:27,550 --> 01:24:23,960
consensus this is not something that's

1831
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:27,560
part of public knowledge right right

1832
01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:29,810
it's not public well yes it is because

1833
01:24:34,140 --> 01:24:32,870
it was printed in James aviation so okay

1834
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:34,150
there's another issue too about

1835
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:37,070
so-called alien technology maybe reverse

1836
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:39,080
engineering and we get back to of course

1837
01:24:45,490 --> 01:24:42,560
the book the day after Roswell by Sol

1838
01:24:47,410 --> 01:24:45,500
Corso and Bill burns and that's been

1839
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:47,420
very controversial certainly mean we

1840
01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:49,490
have people who lot of people who don't

1841
01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:50,990
believe anything in that book they think

1842
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,240
it was just written because Corso wanted

1843
01:24:57,670 --> 01:24:55,280
something to make some money for his

1844
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,680
family after he left this plane of

1845
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:00,320
existence as it were so are you saying

1846
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,210
that you accept the possibility that

1847
01:25:11,170 --> 01:25:04,880
some reverse engineering of captured

1848
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:11,180
alien spacecraft has been involved yes I

1849
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:16,730
think that an official MUFON no no

1850
01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:18,770
that's not does your own personal belief

1851
01:25:21,670 --> 01:25:20,270
okay that's my personal opinion I

1852
01:25:23,950 --> 01:25:21,680
thought you were asking me I'm sorry

1853
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:23,960
well we're asking both just separate no

1854
01:25:29,890 --> 01:25:27,650
what you think is first-rate that sure

1855
01:25:31,660 --> 01:25:29,900
okay so you feel that there has been

1856
01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:31,670
this kind of reverse engineering here's

1857
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:33,320
one of the problems that you know I've

1858
01:25:39,070 --> 01:25:35,810
talked about on the power cast and

1859
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:39,080
others and that is take for example an

1860
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iPhone and the reason we talk buy an

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iPhone is we're recording this when they

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announced that Verizon Wireless in the

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USA will offer the iPhone beginning in

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February okay fine and good now I take

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the iPhone and I go back to 1925 in my

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time machine my handy little TARDIS or

1867
01:26:01,050 --> 01:25:58,280
time machine or whatever and I say here

1868
01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,060
figure it out and build one like it

1869
01:26:06,130 --> 01:26:03,500
reverse engineer it they'd look at this

1870
01:26:08,110 --> 01:26:06,140
thing and even if they could make it

1871
01:26:10,630 --> 01:26:08,120
turn on assuming the battery wasn't

1872
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:10,640
spent they wouldn't know what to do with

1873
01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:12,770
it so the question here if we're

1874
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:14,270
confronted with technology that's a

1875
01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:17,600
hundred years ahead of us would we even

1876
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:19,430
know what to do how do we reverse

1877
01:26:24,940 --> 01:26:21,260
engineer something that's so far beyond

1878
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,950
our technology you are exactly right

1879
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:27,920
saying that is exactly right and that's

1880
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:29,090
why

1881
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:35,320
the Roswell craft that we believe was

1882
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:38,090
back engineered from that that was taken

1883
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:40,450
then back engineering was used from that

1884
01:26:45,730 --> 01:26:43,610
okay that was in 47 well if the

1885
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:45,740
technology is now just being discovered

1886
01:26:52,690 --> 01:26:49,210
now in the last five to ten years maybe

1887
01:26:54,690 --> 01:26:52,700
just keep going back and forth until

1888
01:26:58,780 --> 01:26:54,700
you've tried to find a solution to it

1889
01:27:00,730 --> 01:26:58,790
it's why it's taken so long and we still

1890
01:27:02,530 --> 01:27:00,740
probably don't know everything we need

1891
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:02,540
to know or have the capability of

1892
01:27:10,150 --> 01:27:07,310
finding out plugging away and plucking

1893
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,160
away and plugging away and maybe you can

1894
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:13,280
basically get some of the edges scrape

1895
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:15,050
away the edges get a little technology

1896
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:16,570
here and there or at least get a few

1897
01:27:22,630 --> 01:27:20,450
bits of inspiration as it were exactly

1898
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:22,640
yeah that's and I think that's what's

1899
01:27:27,670 --> 01:27:24,230
happened over the years I think it has

1900
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:27,680
just taken and we still are not probably

1901
01:27:33,220 --> 01:27:29,930
even close to doing what we need to do

1902
01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:33,230
with the the back engineering of these

1903
01:27:37,630 --> 01:27:36,140
craft okay so you're saying also since

1904
01:27:40,030 --> 01:27:37,640
we're talking about back engineering

1905
01:27:41,980 --> 01:27:40,040
that there was a crash at Roswell most

1906
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,990
likely or somewhere else other places

1907
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:44,320
that's how these things were recovered

1908
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:50,080
yes playing to the gust uh and then

1909
01:27:54,370 --> 01:27:52,340
Roswell is just the biggest city it

1910
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:54,380
didn't happen there was what seven there

1911
01:28:00,010 --> 01:27:56,690
are two planes of Augusta and then the

1912
01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:00,020
one that northwest of Roswell about

1913
01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:02,420
seventy-five miles on the Brazil where

1914
01:28:07,540 --> 01:28:04,760
Brazil was well we say Roswell because

1915
01:28:09,130 --> 01:28:07,550
as a generic term saying happened in the

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01:28:12,490 --> 01:28:09,140
vicinity of Roswell and when you're in

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01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:12,500
the desert well 75 my house is in the

1918
01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:15,290
vicinity what about something like Aztec

1919
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:19,030
do you find any authenticity with that I

1920
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:23,330
I really personally I believe that there

1921
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:27,050
is something to that I think the radar

1922
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:29,930
technology that has been and bases that

1923
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:33,170
have been discovered in that area they

1924
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,480
were using radar that they had way over

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01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:37,520
powered and this is the possibility of

1926
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:40,850
how it crippled that craft that landed

1927
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:42,290
in Aztec

1928
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,250
the people that witnesses to that event

1929
01:28:50,350 --> 01:28:48,080
have come forward and indicated that it

1930
01:28:52,689 --> 01:28:50,360
did happen that they were there so I

1931
01:28:55,180 --> 01:28:52,699
have no reason to not believe that it

1932
01:28:56,410 --> 01:28:55,190
was that didn't that it happened I I

1933
01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:56,420
think it did

1934
01:29:00,580 --> 01:28:58,850
well we have the book by the way by a

1935
01:29:03,070 --> 01:29:00,590
Scott Ramsey that he's been working on

1936
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:03,080
for a number of years and we've had him

1937
01:29:06,820 --> 01:29:04,730
on the show a couple of times with Frank

1938
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:06,830
Warren another person who is

1939
01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:09,890
investigated Roswell and Aztec and just

1940
01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:11,900
to bring you listeners up-to-date Scott

1941
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,910
says that you know he's looking at the

1942
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:15,199
proofs of the book and he hopes that

1943
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:17,690
sometimes spring of this year perhaps

1944
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:20,120
we'll get to see the book and when we

1945
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:21,770
get to see the book we'll have Scott on

1946
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:23,510
maybe someone who doesn't believe in

1947
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,449
Aztecs such as Kevin Randle put him

1948
01:29:31,419 --> 01:29:29,120
together and try to find the facts from

1949
01:29:33,070 --> 01:29:31,429
this story to see what's going on try

1950
01:29:34,930 --> 01:29:33,080
and nail it down we'll really try to do

1951
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:34,940
that ladies and gentlemen we have

1952
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Clifford Clift the international

1953
01:29:41,950 --> 01:29:39,199
director of MUFON our co-host is Chris

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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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are you tired of searching for great

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we returned with Chris O'Brien as the

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co-host um gene Steinberg during the

2053
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para cast with Clifford Clift the

2054
01:34:25,709 --> 01:34:23,800
international director of MUFON Chris we

2055
01:34:28,050 --> 01:34:25,719
have a few questions that our listeners

2056
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:28,060
have posed with regard to MUFON and

2057
01:34:33,419 --> 01:34:30,010
Clifford could you dig them up and

2058
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:33,429
mention them yeah actually we we did get

2059
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:35,410
the thread up a little late so we only

2060
01:34:41,850 --> 01:34:38,800
have one person that really that really

2061
01:34:44,490 --> 01:34:41,860
took us up on our on our request for

2062
01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:44,500
questions let me just double check here

2063
01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:48,820
yeah and that's wicker man 1972 and he

2064
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:51,190
says you probably won't asked one of my

2065
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:54,300
questions but I'll ask that one second

2066
01:35:00,510 --> 01:34:58,000
but the first one is concerns the black

2067
01:35:02,850 --> 01:35:00,520
vault and John Greenwald he's been

2068
01:35:06,510 --> 01:35:02,860
putting up digital copies of the MUFON

2069
01:35:09,090 --> 01:35:06,520
Journal up to 2008 are you are you

2070
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:09,100
planning on I'm putting up the the last

2071
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:12,330
two years worth of journals we probably

2072
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:15,760
will put them up on our own site we have

2073
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,150
a new website and we have all of the

2074
01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:21,760
previous journals on there and we'll

2075
01:35:26,250 --> 01:35:23,500
have that we have the new ones and the

2076
01:35:27,979 --> 01:35:26,260
proceedings from the symposiums we just

2077
01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:27,989
have a lot of great information there

2078
01:35:32,700 --> 01:35:30,460
okay that's that's excellent because

2079
01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:32,710
that is a very I think it's a an

2080
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:35,500
important publication that anyone with

2081
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:38,560
an interest in the field should make use

2082
01:35:41,939 --> 01:35:40,060
of that great resource and that's really

2083
01:35:44,010 --> 01:35:41,949
good that you're providing that and

2084
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:44,020
making it available to people after the

2085
01:35:51,209 --> 01:35:46,090
fact the other question has to do with

2086
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:51,219
the Star team and I'm not sure what what

2087
01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:54,400
wicker mans point is here but he seems

2088
01:36:00,270 --> 01:35:58,210
to not be too enamored with the Stan

2089
01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:00,280
romanette case and his question is is

2090
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:02,500
what credibility does MUFON Star team

2091
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:05,110
have when one of its members he name's

2092
01:36:10,919 --> 01:36:07,690
Chuck Zukowski is a stan reenact

2093
01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:10,929
supporter now the inference is that you

2094
01:36:14,459 --> 01:36:12,040
know the romanette case is highly

2095
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:14,469
controversial and you know to my

2096
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:15,610
knowledge I think chuck has come out

2097
01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:17,410
very strongly as a supporter of Romanek

2098
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,150
although there's there's plenty of

2099
01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:21,360
controversy surrounding that case

2100
01:36:26,770 --> 01:36:24,580
exactly Chuck Zukowski is a great

2101
01:36:29,020 --> 01:36:26,780
investigator he does a great

2102
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:29,030
job and there are many people in

2103
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:32,930
Colorado who are devout followers of

2104
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:38,000
Romanek devout being the operative word

2105
01:36:45,670 --> 01:36:43,070
yes exactly the thing that we found is

2106
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:45,680
that James carrion and I personally went

2107
01:36:53,140 --> 01:36:49,960
to stam Roman acts place in Loveland and

2108
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:53,150
interviewed him for five hours about his

2109
01:36:59,140 --> 01:36:56,570
event he would not release names places

2110
01:37:01,630 --> 01:36:59,150
and times to us because he was writing a

2111
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:01,640
book and his agent told him not to well

2112
01:37:07,150 --> 01:37:03,770
I certainly helps investigators yeah

2113
01:37:10,510 --> 01:37:07,160
yeah that's so we asked him personally

2114
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:10,520
if we could be allowed to investigate

2115
01:37:19,930 --> 01:37:15,590
his case and we were told no so based on

2116
01:37:22,990 --> 01:37:19,940
that information I I have nothing to say

2117
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:23,000
about what we knew font stands for in

2118
01:37:26,770 --> 01:37:24,770
that situation we don't have enough

2119
01:37:30,010 --> 01:37:26,780
evidence because we're not allowed to

2120
01:37:33,010 --> 01:37:30,020
investigate it now we investigate public

2121
01:37:35,230 --> 01:37:33,020
events but UFO events but we don't

2122
01:37:35,650 --> 01:37:35,240
investigate where people don't want to

2123
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:35,660
do

2124
01:37:40,330 --> 01:37:37,910
yeah that's unfortunate that he's put a

2125
01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:40,340
lid on that because well I'll tell you

2126
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,900
if there's ever been a case that's too

2127
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:43,520
good to be true it's the stay in Rome in

2128
01:37:49,930 --> 01:37:45,190
that case I've been following it for

2129
01:37:51,940 --> 01:37:49,940
since 2000 and there are some very

2130
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:51,950
interesting elements to that case I'll

2131
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:53,450
be the first to admit that but then

2132
01:38:02,800 --> 01:37:56,930
there's all the other stuff which now

2133
01:38:10,210 --> 01:38:02,810
that he's been abducted so well that was

2134
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:10,220
pretty predictable case like the

2135
01:38:16,330 --> 01:38:12,650
Traveling Wilburys we have the traveling

2136
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:16,340
Romanek yeah ok I have another question

2137
01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:18,050
I'm going to relay to you and maybe you

2138
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:19,910
can confirm or deny this

2139
01:38:26,770 --> 01:38:23,090
George filer Eastern Regional Director

2140
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,780
of MUFON supposedly he's begun to accept

2141
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:28,880
the Billy Meyer context if you heard

2142
01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:32,050
about that yes I know it's not the truth

2143
01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:36,710
ok that has been distorted I'm so glad

2144
01:38:42,130 --> 01:38:38,760
you said that

2145
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:42,140
what is the guy who's named Michael

2146
01:38:48,010 --> 01:38:45,510
Michael horn yes he who shall not be

2147
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,020
named that's actually referred to him

2148
01:38:54,230 --> 01:38:51,360
Erik ass so it is He Who Shall Not Be

2149
01:38:57,410 --> 01:38:54,240
Named and maybe we should refer to him

2150
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:57,420
in brief as shall not so shall not has

2151
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,040
been spreading this right yes she'll not

2152
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:04,320
contacted George filer and sent him some

2153
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:08,610
pictures of the UFO Billy Meyers UFOs

2154
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:12,690
and George indicated says well I'd go

2155
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:14,310
there's one of these it looks really

2156
01:39:23,410 --> 01:39:18,450
pretty interesting and whoever the other

2157
01:39:27,650 --> 01:39:23,420
person is the sending the information

2158
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:27,660
shall not shall not shall and that

2159
01:39:35,570 --> 01:39:31,410
information but he does shall not spend

2160
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:35,580
that information as George filer

2161
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:40,890
supports his information George called

2162
01:39:47,650 --> 01:39:44,100
and apologized to me and to all the new

2163
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:47,660
font he says I that's not what I said oh

2164
01:39:58,640 --> 01:39:54,360
my so you know half truth to me are lies

2165
01:40:02,360 --> 01:39:58,650
and so I kind of where we're at with

2166
01:40:04,940 --> 01:40:02,370
that let me ask you a generic question

2167
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:04,950
then and you know there's some things

2168
01:40:09,650 --> 01:40:06,510
behind it but I'll ask you generally

2169
01:40:12,230 --> 01:40:09,660
okay if you have someone who is an

2170
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,240
official of MUFON in any respect and

2171
01:40:16,730 --> 01:40:14,280
there are questions about their

2172
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:16,740
character and background do you act

2173
01:40:22,180 --> 01:40:18,300
immediately to get rid of them to

2174
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:22,190
investigate something like that yes

2175
01:40:27,740 --> 01:40:25,560
currently we have changed this but

2176
01:40:29,150 --> 01:40:27,750
currently anybody wants to become a

2177
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:29,160
field investigator has to have a

2178
01:40:35,480 --> 01:40:32,880
background check and to check for

2179
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:35,490
criminal activities because we don't

2180
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:36,870
want to send an investigator out there

2181
01:40:41,870 --> 01:40:38,450
it might been a child molester or

2182
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:41,880
something seats that type of thing and

2183
01:40:46,730 --> 01:40:44,610
we have a limp we very few people don't

2184
01:40:48,980 --> 01:40:46,740
pass it but we've had two or three that

2185
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:48,990
had criminal background so we used to

2186
01:40:53,980 --> 01:40:50,850
make them field investigators

2187
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:53,990
so if we have a state director that is

2188
01:41:01,400 --> 01:40:58,410
not following the guidelines of meu Fon

2189
01:41:05,450 --> 01:41:01,410
and seeing new farms best interests at

2190
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:05,460
heart they can be removed too it's all

2191
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:08,850
volunteers so we have to keep track of

2192
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:11,970
that we try to sometimes we don't get it

2193
01:41:16,100 --> 01:41:14,280
done but we try to now are there any

2194
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:16,110
specifically that you can mention that

2195
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:18,600
suddenly vanished from the MUFON roster

2196
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:20,760
because maybe they didn't pass some kind

2197
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:23,070
of test or some questions were raised

2198
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:28,800
about no name that I would I can mention

2199
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:33,480
because I don't know of any but Joe Blow

2200
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:37,260
from Kokomo if he has if he applies for

2201
01:41:42,710 --> 01:41:39,570
his field investigator passes the test

2202
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:42,720
and then sends in his authorization to

2203
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,600
do a credit or a background check and we

2204
01:41:50,330 --> 01:41:48,300
find out that he has just been released

2205
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:50,340
from prison and going back in for

2206
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:52,320
drinking or something then that guy

2207
01:41:57,950 --> 01:41:54,570
probably will not be accepted as a new

2208
01:41:59,180 --> 01:41:57,960
farm field investigator now the reason I

2209
01:42:00,740 --> 01:41:59,190
bring that up and you don't have to

2210
01:42:03,140 --> 01:42:00,750
answer if you don't want to but our

2211
01:42:08,150 --> 01:42:03,150
listeners are asking this gentleman from

2212
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,160
Pennsylvania who claims to be yes what's

2213
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:11,520
the story about him well the story is

2214
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:16,290
simply that in doing a background check

2215
01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:18,840
that is our public record so this is not

2216
01:42:25,610 --> 01:42:23,190
something that is not of public

2217
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:25,620
knowledge anybody wants to go to the

2218
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:27,570
that area in Pennsylvania and look it up

2219
01:42:34,940 --> 01:42:30,030
they can do that he has a court record

2220
01:42:37,340 --> 01:42:34,950
and we just at this point are not able

2221
01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:37,350
to allow that type of personality be a

2222
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:39,300
field investigator and we're not going

2223
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,800
to go into the record we mentioned it

2224
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:42,960
last episode of the podcast we mentioned

2225
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,970
a couple episodes back actually what

2226
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:46,800
that was and what the claim was and

2227
01:42:50,690 --> 01:42:47,940
we'll leave it right there

2228
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:50,700
now one of the things that Chris and I

2229
01:42:53,900 --> 01:42:51,690
are going to want to talk to you about

2230
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:53,910
as we progress in the show are the

2231
01:42:59,210 --> 01:42:56,850
demands for disclosure now I guess in

2232
01:43:01,460 --> 01:42:59,220
some ways we look at MUFON is kind of a

2233
01:43:03,710 --> 01:43:01,470
successor to nightcap and one of the

2234
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:03,720
missions of nightcap early on when major

2235
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:04,560
Keyhoe

2236
01:43:09,710 --> 01:43:06,870
took over from Townsend Brown who

2237
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:09,720
founded the organization was to use that

2238
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:11,790
actually to get congressional hearings

2239
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:15,060
to get disclosure of UFO reality and now

2240
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:17,370
we have some organizations that shall we

2241
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:19,770
say are a little extreme in their

2242
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:22,890
approach to that so what is Mullins

2243
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:24,930
approach about disclosure can there be

2244
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:26,910
disclosure is there something to

2245
01:43:33,650 --> 01:43:30,420
disclose that is really weird because I

2246
01:43:36,020 --> 01:43:33,660
just wrote my directors message for the

2247
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:36,030
new Fon journal for February about this

2248
01:43:42,710 --> 01:43:38,460
very thing you see I saw it psychically

2249
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:42,720
well I guess that's Gary so I can I can

2250
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,330
give you my opinion on that I think

2251
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:47,760
disclosure is a good thing I think

2252
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:49,860
that's something I think the their

2253
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:52,890
intent and their mission is good will it

2254
01:44:00,140 --> 01:43:58,290
happen know how after 4050 years in the

2255
01:44:01,790 --> 01:44:00,150
military or the US government come out

2256
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:01,800
and say well we've been lying to you

2257
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:04,080
guys they do would you believe me even

2258
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:10,700
very difficult what is difficult though

2259
01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:14,250
is when the time comes sponsors say you

2260
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:16,590
have to present our message because we

2261
01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:19,470
pay the bills and so we accede to their

2262
01:44:23,390 --> 01:44:21,630
demands and we see a few moments to

2263
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:23,400
their attention we have Clifford cliff

2264
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:25,170
the international director from MUFON

2265
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:27,330
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

2266
01:44:41,950 --> 01:44:39,270
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2285
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2286
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2287
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2288
01:45:24,130 --> 01:45:22,520
stating a central bank issuing the

2289
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:24,140
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2290
01:45:26,620 --> 01:45:25,280
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2291
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2292
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2293
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2294
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2295
01:46:00,670 --> 01:45:58,870
our final four segments with Clifford

2296
01:46:02,740 --> 01:46:00,680
Clift international director of MUFON

2297
01:46:04,780 --> 01:46:02,750
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

2298
01:46:07,900 --> 01:46:04,790
Steinberg you're in the power cast okay

2299
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:07,910
so we look at disclosure we have these

2300
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:10,970
more extreme movements like XO politics

2301
01:46:14,740 --> 01:46:13,010
where they seem to know what the aliens

2302
01:46:17,340 --> 01:46:14,750
are thinking and then they're gonna

2303
01:46:19,690 --> 01:46:17,350
think them and also when the Obama

2304
01:46:21,580 --> 01:46:19,700
administration or fill in the blanks and

2305
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:21,590
in previous administration was going to

2306
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:24,260
reveal the truth how do you handle that

2307
01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:26,090
kind of organization well there's

2308
01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:29,500
nothing we can do it sells books and

2309
01:46:36,910 --> 01:46:33,380
makes for good topics for people to talk

2310
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:36,920
about I just got back from a month ago

2311
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:39,410
now from Baltimore Maryland where I gave

2312
01:46:45,070 --> 01:46:43,490
a talk to some 250 people that were it

2313
01:46:47,500 --> 01:46:45,080
was an information group they just

2314
01:46:50,290 --> 01:46:47,510
wanted to know about UFOs there I don't

2315
01:46:52,450 --> 01:46:50,300
think we had one new Fon member there so

2316
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:52,460
everything that we told them was really

2317
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,530
a lot of new stuff one of the first

2318
01:46:58,690 --> 01:46:56,960
things they asked me is well what about

2319
01:47:02,410 --> 01:46:58,700
disclosure don't you think that's going

2320
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:02,420
to happen I said no I don't because what

2321
01:47:07,660 --> 01:47:04,010
would be the benefit to the government

2322
01:47:10,150 --> 01:47:07,670
to disclose that admitted if they

2323
01:47:11,770 --> 01:47:10,160
disclose this information they're going

2324
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:11,780
to have to admit that they've been lying

2325
01:47:18,490 --> 01:47:16,030
to us and that is political suicide or

2326
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:18,500
professional the military's involved

2327
01:47:21,850 --> 01:47:19,850
that professionally if five star general

2328
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:21,860
come out and say well we haven't done

2329
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:23,810
this because we didn't want you to know

2330
01:47:27,790 --> 01:47:25,090
we didn't think he could handle it

2331
01:47:30,970 --> 01:47:27,800
that's not going to happen the other

2332
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:30,980
thing that's involved with this is what

2333
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:33,080
happens after disclosure Richard Dolan

2334
01:47:37,390 --> 01:47:35,330
was at the same conference I was at and

2335
01:47:39,310 --> 01:47:37,400
of course he's in the disclosure big

2336
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:39,320
time right now and being a visionary as

2337
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:42,730
to what will happen afterwards and

2338
01:47:49,150 --> 01:47:46,850
prognosticators in my opinion are there

2339
01:47:52,450 --> 01:47:49,160
just like economists you can whatever

2340
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:52,460
answer you want you can find so there's

2341
01:47:56,350 --> 01:47:53,930
different opinions as to what will

2342
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,360
happen on disclosure but I don't think

2343
01:48:00,730 --> 01:47:58,000
disclosure is going to happen because

2344
01:48:03,970 --> 01:48:00,740
the only way disclosure will happen in

2345
01:48:06,490 --> 01:48:03,980
my opinion is if they create some type

2346
01:48:09,129 --> 01:48:06,500
of problem with the u.s. old phenomenon

2347
01:48:12,399 --> 01:48:09,139
and cover

2348
01:48:14,859 --> 01:48:12,409
with a problem and then provide the

2349
01:48:17,649 --> 01:48:14,869
solution okay what kind of problem would

2350
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:17,659
we be talking about I that I don't know

2351
01:48:24,129 --> 01:48:21,320
it's the Hegelian dialect where somebody

2352
01:48:27,010 --> 01:48:24,139
creates a problem and only they can make

2353
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:27,020
an provide the solution or the solution

2354
01:48:32,530 --> 01:48:29,330
that they feel is best for their benefit

2355
01:48:36,820 --> 01:48:32,540
to overcome the problem well like like

2356
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:36,830
like a potential uh fake alien invasion

2357
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:39,230
that would then legitimize some sort of

2358
01:48:45,729 --> 01:48:42,050
martial law or something like that I

2359
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:45,739
think that may be the extreme but I

2360
01:48:51,970 --> 01:48:49,250
think that follows course as to the

2361
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:51,980
potential of what for them to disclose

2362
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:53,750
they're going to have to create some

2363
01:48:59,140 --> 01:48:57,050
kind of problem for the citizens of the

2364
01:49:01,530 --> 01:48:59,150
world or of America they're going to

2365
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:01,540
have to create some kind of problem that

2366
01:49:07,930 --> 01:49:05,360
allows them to be the ones that will

2367
01:49:10,209 --> 01:49:07,940
take care of us our solution will be

2368
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:10,219
within them so it's all a matter of

2369
01:49:16,660 --> 01:49:12,050
control and you're saying it's a control

2370
01:49:18,459 --> 01:49:16,670
issue exactly no hmm you know there may

2371
01:49:20,979 --> 01:49:18,469
be there may be a whistleblower that

2372
01:49:23,979 --> 01:49:20,989
will come out that is high enough within

2373
01:49:26,169 --> 01:49:23,989
the organization of the US government or

2374
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:26,179
the military that people will believe

2375
01:49:31,780 --> 01:49:29,600
but the astronauts are coming out and

2376
01:49:33,250 --> 01:49:31,790
saying that the UFOs are real and exist

2377
01:49:35,379 --> 01:49:33,260
and that doesn't seem to make any

2378
01:49:37,020 --> 01:49:35,389
difference and they're probably one of

2379
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:37,030
the more thought of well thought of

2380
01:49:41,859 --> 01:49:39,860
military people we have well that's a

2381
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:41,869
good question to hear so do you think

2382
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:43,610
that when astronauts come out with this

2383
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:46,010
information that we learn of more and

2384
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:50,810
more planetary discoveries in our galaxy

2385
01:49:57,939 --> 01:49:55,369
that maybe this is a way in part to do a

2386
01:49:58,959 --> 01:49:57,949
gradual disclosure yes that's a

2387
01:50:01,780 --> 01:49:58,969
possibility

2388
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:01,790
I don't think so though the reason I say

2389
01:50:05,379 --> 01:50:03,290
that is because I think they would have

2390
01:50:06,939 --> 01:50:05,389
started releasing information before

2391
01:50:09,820 --> 01:50:06,949
they got old enough that they're going

2392
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:09,830
to pass away so they know not much can

2393
01:50:16,300 --> 01:50:14,570
happen like Edgar Mitchell and story

2394
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:16,310
mutt by the way story Musgrave is going

2395
01:50:20,620 --> 01:50:17,840
to be our keynote speaker at our

2396
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:20,630
symposium this year of course you know

2397
01:50:26,979 --> 01:50:22,760
he's a astronaut

2398
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:26,989
and Neil Armstrong these guys are are

2399
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:28,489
coming out with a lot of good

2400
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:31,370
information and they are indicating that

2401
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:34,370
they are real and exist okay that raises

2402
01:50:39,610 --> 01:50:37,390
another question here - what about

2403
01:50:41,860 --> 01:50:39,620
interaction between aliens and

2404
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:41,870
earthlings on the government level has

2405
01:50:45,310 --> 01:50:43,489
the US government or some foreign

2406
01:50:48,850 --> 01:50:45,320
government do you believe they've have

2407
01:50:50,979 --> 01:50:48,860
had actual contacts with them I do

2408
01:50:58,050 --> 01:50:50,989
believe there has been some kind of

2409
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:58,060
contact but I don't I don't know if it I

2410
01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:00,650
really it's that one so deep in

2411
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:04,180
philosophical I can't even approach the

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01:51:09,670 --> 01:51:06,730
intelligent conversation with that one

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01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:09,680
but the does appear that there has been

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01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:15,650
contact made so beyond that if there if

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01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:17,600
there has been there's just a very few

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01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:19,970
maybe less than 10 people would even

2417
01:51:24,340 --> 01:51:22,070
know about it okay you feel this there's

2418
01:51:26,530 --> 01:51:24,350
no evidence of this is just your feeling

2419
01:51:30,220 --> 01:51:26,540
that's right I don't know of any

2420
01:51:31,690 --> 01:51:30,230
evidence okay so how do we get down to

2421
01:51:34,690 --> 01:51:31,700
the bottom of this okay the government

2422
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:34,700
has no motive to release his information

2423
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:37,910
for all sorts of reasons we have people

2424
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:40,850
like you investigating UFOs and we

2425
01:51:44,440 --> 01:51:43,489
accept the fact that MUFON and most of

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01:51:46,750 --> 01:51:44,450
the people that work with the

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01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:46,760
organization are serious many of them

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01:51:52,030 --> 01:51:49,010
are well-trained they're scientist etc

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01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:52,040
smart people looking into this thing for

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01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:54,890
over four decades and they're not coming

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01:51:58,330 --> 01:51:57,770
up with anything that leads us to a

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01:52:02,500 --> 01:51:58,340
solution

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01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:02,510
are they well a definitive answer of to

2434
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:03,890
where they're from and how they operate

2435
01:52:12,700 --> 01:52:08,270
no are they here yes if we could just

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01:52:16,330 --> 01:52:12,710
some way get on board one of these

2437
01:52:18,670 --> 01:52:16,340
crafts and talk to them and they could

2438
01:52:21,330 --> 01:52:18,680
be able to communicate with us at our

2439
01:52:24,700 --> 01:52:21,340
level because they are definitely more

2440
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:24,710
sophisticated more intelligent well not

2441
01:52:29,050 --> 01:52:26,600
to fifth game or intelligent and more

2442
01:52:30,820 --> 01:52:29,060
advanced than we are well you see that

2443
01:52:32,410 --> 01:52:30,830
raises another question to say for

2444
01:52:35,989 --> 01:52:32,420
example we look at the scenario in the

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01:52:38,419 --> 01:52:35,999
movie contact we're Ichi

2446
01:52:41,079 --> 01:52:38,429
manifests itself to the Jodie Foster

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01:52:43,849 --> 01:52:41,089
character by looking like her father

2448
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:43,859
because she couldn't accept the reality

2449
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,249
of his its existence so the question is

2450
01:52:52,129 --> 01:52:50,159
are the UFOs we see even representative

2451
01:52:53,419 --> 01:52:52,139
of what they really are are they just

2452
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:53,429
gigantic holodecks

2453
01:52:59,359 --> 01:52:57,119
that's that's another good point I don't

2454
01:53:00,529 --> 01:52:59,369
know anybody they could refute that well

2455
01:53:04,369 --> 01:53:00,539
I know there's some people that would

2456
01:53:08,559 --> 01:53:04,379
try but that may be yet they may be able

2457
01:53:12,049 --> 01:53:08,569
to make themselves visible as

2458
01:53:12,649 --> 01:53:12,059
shapeshifters I I don't know look at

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01:53:15,769 --> 01:53:12,659
thee

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01:53:17,629 --> 01:53:15,779
that's that TV show and that's well that

2461
01:53:20,269 --> 01:53:17,639
really shapeshifters they're they're

2462
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:20,279
wearing an EXO skin of some sort the

2463
01:53:25,519 --> 01:53:24,239
whole you know I'm you know really into

2464
01:53:27,769 --> 01:53:25,529
the science fiction I can tell you about

2465
01:53:29,509 --> 01:53:27,779
that they're wearing the xxo skin if you

2466
01:53:30,949 --> 01:53:29,519
tear off the skin you've got the

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01:53:35,239 --> 01:53:30,959
lizard's underneath the reptiles

2468
01:53:36,739 --> 01:53:35,249
whatever yeah well yeah so I don't know

2469
01:53:40,969 --> 01:53:36,749
maybe that's what they're like I don't

2470
01:53:42,919 --> 01:53:40,979
know when we look at science fiction and

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01:53:46,339 --> 01:53:42,929
we look at Dick Tracy when he was

2472
01:53:48,739 --> 01:53:46,349
talking in his watch eighty years ago or

2473
01:53:52,189 --> 01:53:48,749
no 70 years 60 years ago

2474
01:53:54,589 --> 01:53:52,199
that's coming to reality so you know

2475
01:53:56,419 --> 01:53:54,599
there's a lot of there's a lot of

2476
01:53:59,449 --> 01:53:56,429
thought and truth behind what science

2477
01:54:01,069 --> 01:53:59,459
fiction does you know I want to change

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01:54:03,409 --> 01:54:01,079
gears a little bit here and ask you a

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01:54:05,829 --> 01:54:03,419
question about the MUFON investigators

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01:54:08,989 --> 01:54:05,839
manual I've heard some scuttlebutt

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through the grapevine that currently

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you're updating it and and expanding the

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actual MUFON investigators manual do you

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01:54:26,749 --> 01:54:23,959
yeah we're updating it and it will be we

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hopes it'll be ready this year again

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volunteers are doing this and we have to

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01:54:36,499 --> 01:54:31,769
are they open for any input and I've got

2488
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:36,509
some suggestions sure send me an email

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01:54:43,519 --> 01:54:39,599
with what you would like to see because

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01:54:46,579 --> 01:54:43,529
anything we can do is really beneficial

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01:54:48,109 --> 01:54:46,589
one of the things that we're doing is we

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01:54:51,619 --> 01:54:48,119
now have on our website

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or we will have we don't right now we're

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01:54:58,609 --> 01:54:55,320
still waiting on it but an infrared camp

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order that paranormal people use for

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ghost hunting and it fits very well with

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what we do so we have the type of

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equipment that's going to be available

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evidence kits Geiger counters black

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making and and we're getting them at a

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members I'll tell you well again two

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more of this in our next segment

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Clifford Clift international director of

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MUFON joining us I'm gene Steinberg the

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we have Clifford Clift international

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director of MUFON joining us on the

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power cast the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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I'm Jean Steinberg okay so we're looking

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at this additional hardware that you are

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offering and now one other thing which I

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02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:33,599
might ask we have different

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organizations around the country around

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02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:37,860
the world what efforts are being made to

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02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:40,530
pull the data they're all collecting so

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that you can get closer to some kind of

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02:00:49,939 --> 02:00:45,329
answers here and we go forward one of

2645
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,949
our goals is to have a closer and a

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02:00:56,479 --> 02:00:52,320
better relationship with some of the UFO

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02:00:59,509 --> 02:00:56,489
groups in Europe Russia South America

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02:01:02,750 --> 02:00:59,519
and we've not done well in our

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relationships with these people we do

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have members there but we and we've UK

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we have a great country director and so

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we were working with these people and

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trying to expand to that well we could

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be the central clearinghouse for all of

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the documentation we currently have over

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25,000 sightings and our archives from

2657
02:01:28,370 --> 02:01:26,460
1959 to current and there are

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02:01:32,570 --> 02:01:28,380
people that we have now working

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02:01:35,330 --> 02:01:32,580
volunteers again to help correlate the

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different events it is word searchable

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so if you want to put triangles in

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Brazil then you would come up with all

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02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:43,500
of those things well we'd like to see if

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02:01:48,170 --> 02:01:46,110
there isn't some correlation between the

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02:01:51,680 --> 02:01:48,180
different types of crafts where they're

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located the time of year that type of

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02:01:58,910 --> 02:01:54,680
thing maybe there's something that is

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significant about the UFOs took what

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where when and why

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what about cooperation among UFO

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researchers this days there's always

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been something in the UFO field where

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people don't always get along how's it

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look now in this day and age in the 21st

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century oh you know I think it's still

2676
02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:17,219
pretty much the same waging some of the

2677
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:19,980
you have followed gist it's their way or

2678
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,730
no way

2679
02:02:25,220 --> 02:02:22,800
I mean that's the end of the story so

2680
02:02:27,410 --> 02:02:25,230
there's no room for communication or

2681
02:02:29,240 --> 02:02:27,420
negotiation they believe what they

2682
02:02:31,430 --> 02:02:29,250
believe and that's the end of the story

2683
02:02:35,450 --> 02:02:31,440
wake up I made my name spring to mind

2684
02:02:39,170 --> 02:02:35,460
when you say that yeah and I think I

2685
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:39,180
think there's more to this than just one

2686
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:42,480
point of view UFOs as I mentioned

2687
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:45,810
earlier we're talking not just nuts and

2688
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:48,330
bolts hard hard evidence of a craft

2689
02:02:54,290 --> 02:02:51,330
flying we're talking about portals we're

2690
02:02:56,630 --> 02:02:54,300
talking about the paranormal aspect such

2691
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:56,640
as polar guides and we're talking about

2692
02:03:03,260 --> 02:03:00,239
crop circles and mutilations a Bigfoot I

2693
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:03,270
think there is something that is there's

2694
02:03:08,660 --> 02:03:06,090
something together with all of this what

2695
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:08,670
it is I don't know but there is

2696
02:03:14,990 --> 02:03:12,000
something that is involved with all of

2697
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:15,000
these different areas that we need to be

2698
02:03:20,150 --> 02:03:18,330
able to find out what that commonality

2699
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:20,160
is okay the fly in the ointment

2700
02:03:24,370 --> 02:03:22,560
Department is of course is the military

2701
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:24,380
if the government knows if they're

2702
02:03:28,700 --> 02:03:26,610
occasionally even once or twice in

2703
02:03:31,790 --> 02:03:28,710
contact with et that they're doing

2704
02:03:33,530 --> 02:03:31,800
things to basically make it messy in the

2705
02:03:35,900 --> 02:03:33,540
UFO field some of the stuff that you

2706
02:03:38,090 --> 02:03:35,910
catch may be military or government

2707
02:03:39,980 --> 02:03:38,100
related disinformation have you

2708
02:03:44,630 --> 02:03:39,990
encountered that

2709
02:03:48,010 --> 02:03:44,640
yes definitely we encounter that all the

2710
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:48,020
time anytime we get really close to

2711
02:03:52,490 --> 02:03:50,730
something significant and we may not

2712
02:03:55,970 --> 02:03:52,500
even know that we're close to something

2713
02:03:58,820 --> 02:03:55,980
significant somebody puts the fly in the

2714
02:04:01,130 --> 02:03:58,830
ointment that causes us to go in a

2715
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:01,140
different direction and it might be a

2716
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:04,710
personality situation that flies up and

2717
02:04:13,730 --> 02:04:10,970
grabs us it might be some event that is

2718
02:04:17,150 --> 02:04:13,740
initiated and instigated by whomever

2719
02:04:19,010 --> 02:04:17,160
these powers might be in another area so

2720
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:19,020
we'll leave that area and go to another

2721
02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:22,560
area yeah that does happen but but it's

2722
02:04:25,970 --> 02:04:24,420
all covert nothing overt in other words

2723
02:04:28,250 --> 02:04:25,980
you haven't been contacted by the

2724
02:04:30,770 --> 02:04:28,260
military saying you know cease and

2725
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:30,780
desist we're handling this no I'm

2726
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:32,490
thinking a sense Clifford like for

2727
02:04:38,060 --> 02:04:35,850
example the mj-12 documents that no its

2728
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:38,070
controversial we know some people accept

2729
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:40,800
it some people think it was a private

2730
02:04:45,470 --> 02:04:42,090
hoax some people think it was a

2731
02:04:47,630 --> 02:04:45,480
government hoax you I think both I think

2732
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:47,640
some of the documents are real I think

2733
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:50,130
some of them are disinformation okay so

2734
02:04:56,660 --> 02:04:53,150
real being that late Harvard astronomer

2735
02:04:58,910 --> 02:04:56,670
dr. Donald Menzel was part of mj-12 you

2736
02:05:03,800 --> 02:04:58,920
believe that I certainly do

2737
02:05:07,660 --> 02:05:03,810
dr. Menzel was not a kind person to UFOs

2738
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:07,670
he wasn't a kind person person at all

2739
02:05:13,370 --> 02:05:11,330
[Laughter]

2740
02:05:21,140 --> 02:05:13,380
terminal hemorrhoids and a chip with a

2741
02:05:22,430 --> 02:05:21,150
chip on his shoulder yeah I think so you

2742
02:05:24,200 --> 02:05:22,440
don't think that's kind of an inside

2743
02:05:26,540 --> 02:05:24,210
joke because that's one of the theories

2744
02:05:28,820 --> 02:05:26,550
that some people suggest is that's the

2745
02:05:30,980 --> 02:05:28,830
evidence it's a hoax is because they

2746
02:05:33,770 --> 02:05:30,990
stuck that name in there and get a good

2747
02:05:36,380 --> 02:05:33,780
laugh as a result no I I think he was

2748
02:05:39,740 --> 02:05:36,390
was one of the disinformation people for

2749
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:39,750
magic 12 their mj-12 but we have this

2750
02:05:44,420 --> 02:05:41,760
controversy we have these disagreements

2751
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:44,430
how do we prove that that's what they

2752
02:05:49,580 --> 02:05:46,890
rely on that is the psychology of

2753
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:49,590
disinformation how do you prove it or

2754
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:52,159
disprove it it has an error of too

2755
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:55,010
and it has an air of fiction and then

2756
02:05:59,290 --> 02:05:56,960
you spend all your time trying to figure

2757
02:06:02,140 --> 02:05:59,300
out what the truth and the fiction is

2758
02:06:04,570 --> 02:06:02,150
and what the results are I think we just

2759
02:06:07,419 --> 02:06:04,580
have to in move on just continue to

2760
02:06:09,970 --> 02:06:07,429
investigate and get to information the

2761
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:09,980
good information that is needed for us

2762
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:11,810
to come to some resolution that's

2763
02:06:16,930 --> 02:06:15,050
developed why and where they're from no

2764
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:16,940
that's a very good point here's

2765
02:06:21,250 --> 02:06:19,100
something that's been kind of troubling

2766
02:06:23,290 --> 02:06:21,260
me about the field for some time now you

2767
02:06:25,959 --> 02:06:23,300
know you go to your average UFO

2768
02:06:28,419 --> 02:06:25,969
convention conference and the average

2769
02:06:31,689 --> 02:06:28,429
age is somewhere up around our age at

2770
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:31,699
least over 50 if not closer to 70

2771
02:06:38,649 --> 02:06:35,840
how is MUFON moving ahead to excite

2772
02:06:41,410 --> 02:06:38,659
younger potential members to get

2773
02:06:44,620 --> 02:06:41,420
involved in and do you see this as a

2774
02:06:46,450 --> 02:06:44,630
problem for the organization that you

2775
02:06:48,070 --> 02:06:46,460
know time marches on and and some of

2776
02:06:50,050 --> 02:06:48,080
your older members are gonna pass on and

2777
02:06:50,590 --> 02:06:50,060
and you need to keep refreshing the

2778
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:50,600
ranks

2779
02:06:55,330 --> 02:06:53,810
what is MUFON doing to elicit the

2780
02:06:58,209 --> 02:06:55,340
excitement in the younger generation to

2781
02:07:00,370 --> 02:06:58,219
get it involved in a hands-on way well

2782
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:00,380
one of the things that I'm doing right

2783
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:04,610
now is starting to do webinars with

2784
02:07:08,140 --> 02:07:07,760
speakers or such as Chris or whoever it

2785
02:07:10,510 --> 02:07:08,150
might be

2786
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:10,520
okay webinar by the way is a web-based

2787
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:14,090
conference yes web-based yeah and we'll

2788
02:07:18,580 --> 02:07:16,370
do those once a month or twice have

2789
02:07:20,350 --> 02:07:18,590
these people out there were people what

2790
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:20,360
we have discovered the reason I'm saying

2791
02:07:26,979 --> 02:07:22,130
this is what we've discovered is the

2792
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:26,989
youth are really computer oriented so

2793
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:28,159
the more we can get on the computer

2794
02:07:34,030 --> 02:07:30,770
we're going to have a Facebook that we

2795
02:07:36,070 --> 02:07:34,040
can work with people the youth that's

2796
02:07:38,879 --> 02:07:36,080
the type of thing I don't know about

2797
02:07:42,010 --> 02:07:38,889
Twitter yet her Twitter whatever it is

2798
02:07:43,450 --> 02:07:42,020
beyond me I think it's beyond a lot of

2799
02:07:47,169 --> 02:07:43,460
people I think it has a lot of

2800
02:07:49,209 --> 02:07:47,179
entertainment value but maybe not so

2801
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:49,219
much a research value and we'll have to

2802
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,870
get into more of that in a moment I want

2803
02:07:54,879 --> 02:07:52,400
to remind our listeners we mentioned

2804
02:07:58,209 --> 02:07:54,889
every so often the forums at power cast

2805
02:08:01,000 --> 02:07:58,219
of course for America's comm that's for

2806
02:08:03,340 --> 02:08:01,010
America's comm and here's how it works

2807
02:08:05,180 --> 02:08:03,350
we want you to become a member all you

2808
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:05,190
have to do is

2809
02:08:10,340 --> 02:08:07,890
give yourself a username and click a few

2810
02:08:11,930 --> 02:08:10,350
boxes and stuff like that answer a

2811
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:11,940
simple question to prove you're human

2812
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:14,250
and not spam bot and then you can join

2813
02:08:18,979 --> 02:08:16,710
then you can send your input and we also

2814
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:18,989
try when we can we don't always have

2815
02:08:23,540 --> 02:08:21,210
advance notice about guests we try to

2816
02:08:25,820 --> 02:08:23,550
open up a forum or thread where you

2817
02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:25,830
could ask questions and we ask them on

2818
02:08:29,570 --> 02:08:26,370
the show

2819
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:29,580
clifford cliff us I'm Jean Steinberg

2820
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:31,530
Chris O'Brien's the co-host you're in

2821
02:08:45,140 --> 02:08:42,330
the para cast is there a secret UFO

2822
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,150
agenda to strange creatures from the

2823
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:47,520
darkest corners of the mind roam the

2824
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:49,890
earth is there evidence for mind control

2825
02:08:56,209 --> 02:08:53,130
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2826
02:08:58,700 --> 02:08:56,219
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2827
02:09:01,490 --> 02:08:58,710
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2837
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2839
02:09:37,950 --> 02:09:41,229
[Music]

2840
02:09:52,549 --> 02:09:43,060
go to him

2841
02:09:57,049 --> 02:09:52,559
ask your legislator and ask your

2842
02:10:02,000 --> 02:09:57,059
congressman but ask your president why

2843
02:10:05,419 --> 02:10:02,010
can't we grow it here we ask those

2844
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:05,429
companies that love their profits and

2845
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:10,650
disease why can't we grow it here try a

2846
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pound or seeds in oil try our five pound

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2851
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2852
02:10:43,250 --> 02:10:40,949
usa.org you know the constitution like

2853
02:10:46,509 --> 02:10:43,260
the back of your hand you've read books

2854
02:10:49,810 --> 02:10:46,519
listen to podcasts attended lectures

2855
02:10:53,899 --> 02:10:49,820
surfed websites and watched videos

2856
02:10:59,029 --> 02:10:53,909
you've made Liberty your life's goal but

2857
02:11:02,450 --> 02:10:59,039
something seems to be missing stickers

2858
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:02,460
from Liberty stickers calm exercise your

2859
02:11:06,410 --> 02:11:03,840
freedom of speech with the world's most

2860
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dangerous bumper stickers that's Liberty

2861
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Snickers dot-com but wait there's more

2862
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you can find Liberty stickers wholesale

2863
02:11:15,709 --> 02:11:14,519
get them for 99 cents each when you put

2864
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a hundred or more on your shopping cart

2865
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in any combination sell them or give

2866
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them away the gray fur gun shows flea

2867
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markets fairs outreach and more earn

2868
02:11:25,700 --> 02:11:23,369
extra money promote freedom and spread

2869
02:11:27,229 --> 02:11:25,710
the word meet custom stickers labels or

2870
02:11:29,419 --> 02:11:27,239
decals for your organization or business

2871
02:11:31,279 --> 02:11:29,429
Liberty stickers makes them go to

2872
02:11:32,779 --> 02:11:31,289
Liberty stickers downtown to order call

2873
02:11:35,839 --> 02:11:32,789
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2874
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:35,849
six two six Liberty stickers calm the

2875
02:11:39,810 --> 02:11:36,729
world SMO

2876
02:11:42,239 --> 02:11:39,820
dangerous stickers hello out of the

2877
02:11:44,759 --> 02:11:42,249
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2878
02:11:46,799 --> 02:11:44,769
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2879
02:11:49,259 --> 02:11:46,809
amazing positive feedback most of which

2880
02:11:51,479 --> 02:11:49,269
we feature on of the field comm here's a

2881
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:51,489
small sample of all that people like you

2882
02:11:55,319 --> 02:11:53,199
have to say about the wild food

2883
02:11:57,089 --> 02:11:55,329
experience as homesteader attempting to

2884
02:11:58,890 --> 02:11:57,099
live sustainably I was floored by the

2885
02:12:01,080 --> 02:11:58,900
amount of information in this book dear

2886
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:01,090
Linda I would be hard-pressed to express

2887
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:03,010
how much you have impacted my life I'm

2888
02:12:06,509 --> 02:12:04,690
amazed by the wealth of the author's

2889
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:06,519
knowledge and the depth of the coverage

2890
02:12:11,009 --> 02:12:09,010
in this book as we see more and more GMO

2891
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:11,019
foods on the shelves this information is

2892
02:12:15,629 --> 02:12:13,209
good to know I am thankful to God for

2893
02:12:17,879 --> 02:12:15,639
you Linda I can't say enough about this

2894
02:12:19,949 --> 02:12:17,889
book blessings to you and your family

2895
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:19,959
the greatest effect this book is out on

2896
02:12:24,359 --> 02:12:22,030
me and my family is that we truly see

2897
02:12:26,250 --> 02:12:24,369
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2898
02:12:26,879 --> 02:12:26,260
for letting us help you get back to

2899
02:12:29,370 --> 02:12:26,889
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2900
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:29,380
read all of the testimonials at of the

2901
02:12:34,199 --> 02:12:32,170
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2902
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2903
02:12:42,770 --> 02:12:36,849
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2904
02:12:55,620 --> 02:12:42,780
in the secret on air online and on

2905
02:12:56,850 --> 02:12:55,630
demand we are the gcn radio network we

2906
02:12:59,069 --> 02:12:56,860
returned with Clifford Clift

2907
02:13:00,899 --> 02:12:59,079
international director of MUFON the

2908
02:13:04,109 --> 02:13:00,909
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean

2909
02:13:06,089 --> 02:13:04,119
Steinberg I'm the para cast Clifford let

2910
02:13:08,759 --> 02:13:06,099
me ask you a theoretical question or not

2911
02:13:11,219 --> 02:13:08,769
so theoretical okay you're put in the

2912
02:13:13,020 --> 02:13:11,229
room with skeptics and they say Clifford

2913
02:13:16,739 --> 02:13:13,030
do you believe there's some reality to

2914
02:13:19,500 --> 02:13:16,749
UFOs can you cite one compelling case

2915
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:19,510
that says it all about the UFO mystery

2916
02:13:24,209 --> 02:13:22,090
and that case cannot be Roswell okay

2917
02:13:30,169 --> 02:13:24,219
what do you think what we say you only

2918
02:13:35,370 --> 02:13:30,179
want one all right I would say the 1952

2919
02:13:37,949 --> 02:13:35,380
UF / UFO fly over Washington DC where

2920
02:13:40,379 --> 02:13:37,959
the objects the nine objects were seen

2921
02:13:43,310 --> 02:13:40,389
by three different - air traffic control

2922
02:13:48,689 --> 02:13:43,320
centers Andrews Air Force Base national

2923
02:13:50,669 --> 02:13:48,699
airport and the other other one and seen

2924
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:50,679
on radar seeing

2925
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:53,170
visually out the windows of its control

2926
02:13:59,610 --> 02:13:55,770
centers seen by people on the ground

2927
02:14:02,520 --> 02:13:59,620
seen by air airplanes flying in

2928
02:14:04,410 --> 02:14:02,530
commercial planes and by the jet

2929
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:04,420
interceptors that went up after them

2930
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:06,880
adults who saw the objects that probably

2931
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:10,210
is the the best one that I historically

2932
02:14:18,450 --> 02:14:14,800
coming forward we can go to the 1973

2933
02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:18,460
incident in Tehran Iran where there was

2934
02:14:25,530 --> 02:14:20,770
an a dogfight or an engagement with a

2935
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:25,540
UFO by Iranian air people there pilots

2936
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:29,199
the Phoenix lights and obviously the

2937
02:14:35,250 --> 02:14:31,690
first one not the second case with the

2938
02:14:38,340 --> 02:14:35,260
flares right yes right the ones that was

2939
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:38,350
actually something so yeah so that's

2940
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:41,530
those are the things that two or three

2941
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:43,650
of them that I think when you have

2942
02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:46,650
simultaneous ground and aerial

2943
02:14:52,070 --> 02:14:49,570
observation simultaneous with radar

2944
02:14:55,919 --> 02:14:52,080
contact that's pretty strong evidence

2945
02:14:58,649 --> 02:14:55,929
those turns from temperature inversions

2946
02:15:00,780 --> 02:14:58,659
in other words you know sting story too

2947
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:00,790
we were talking I guess going back to

2948
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:03,250
Mark Pilkington the guy who wrote the

2949
02:15:08,459 --> 02:15:05,440
book Mirage man he suggested there was

2950
02:15:11,729 --> 02:15:08,469
technology back in the 40s and 50s where

2951
02:15:12,540 --> 02:15:11,739
you can create artificial radar bogies

2952
02:15:15,899 --> 02:15:12,550
of something

2953
02:15:19,290 --> 02:15:15,909
well when the top when the top people of

2954
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:19,300
the major for their rear admiral for ney

2955
02:15:24,660 --> 02:15:22,239
was looking at the radar and was an

2956
02:15:27,930 --> 02:15:24,670
expert in radar in Washington that

2957
02:15:29,790 --> 02:15:27,940
Washington National Airport and Andrews

2958
02:15:32,340 --> 02:15:29,800
Air Force Base when they were looking at

2959
02:15:34,260 --> 02:15:32,350
the radar and the top radar people

2960
02:15:36,510 --> 02:15:34,270
you're not gonna put slouch radar

2961
02:15:38,820 --> 02:15:36,520
operators into Capitol United States

2962
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,830
they're gonna be your best people when

2963
02:15:42,990 --> 02:15:40,719
they all agree that this was a hard

2964
02:15:45,209 --> 02:15:43,000
contact it was not Birds it was not

2965
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:45,219
weather inversion it wasn't clouds it

2966
02:15:50,910 --> 02:15:48,610
was some other event you have to go

2967
02:15:53,100 --> 02:15:50,920
along with that a good point

2968
02:15:55,439 --> 02:15:53,110
now you mentioned these are classic

2969
02:15:58,770 --> 02:15:55,449
cases that we all know about those of us

2970
02:16:00,810 --> 02:15:58,780
who followed now but what about cases

2971
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:00,820
MUFON is investigating as some of the

2972
02:16:04,379 --> 02:16:03,130
stuff proceeds your organization of the

2973
02:16:07,799 --> 02:16:04,389
cases that you guys

2974
02:16:10,169 --> 02:16:07,809
investigated what are maybe one two or

2975
02:16:14,489 --> 02:16:10,179
three really really fascinating cases

2976
02:16:16,290 --> 02:16:14,499
that say the one that I I think is so

2977
02:16:20,639 --> 02:16:16,300
significant is the one that has just

2978
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:20,649
happened this past six eight months with

2979
02:16:28,290 --> 02:16:25,840
Chase cholesky with the triangle and in

2980
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:28,300
Tennessee where the being was there that

2981
02:16:33,929 --> 02:16:31,209
to me is just a phenomenal case the

2982
02:16:38,490 --> 02:16:33,939
other one that I would think that is

2983
02:16:41,309 --> 02:16:38,500
probably equally as good is one that is

2984
02:16:44,129 --> 02:16:41,319
and I I'm sorry I'm going to have to be

2985
02:16:46,349 --> 02:16:44,139
more secretive about this because we're

2986
02:16:48,899 --> 02:16:46,359
not through with the investigation but

2987
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:48,909
it's happened on a Native American

2988
02:16:56,610 --> 02:16:53,290
tribal land and this one was of great

2989
02:16:58,679 --> 02:16:56,620
significance because the military ended

2990
02:17:02,429 --> 02:16:58,689
up being involved with this too because

2991
02:17:04,679 --> 02:17:02,439
of the radar so yeah we have some great

2992
02:17:07,559 --> 02:17:04,689
cases I'm sorry I don't mean to be so

2993
02:17:10,589 --> 02:17:07,569
cryptic about that one but due to the

2994
02:17:12,780 --> 02:17:10,599
nature of the relationship with Native

2995
02:17:14,459 --> 02:17:12,790
Americans we have to be very careful so

2996
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:14,469
you can't give us the name of the res

2997
02:17:20,910 --> 02:17:16,000
like the Navajo res

2998
02:17:24,330 --> 02:17:20,920
I would prefer not to okay now what

2999
02:17:25,889 --> 02:17:24,340
about cases involving okay we have that

3000
02:17:29,160 --> 02:17:25,899
one that you investigated this year

3001
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:29,170
other cases that involve the observance

3002
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:32,080
of creatures entities beings any other

3003
02:17:38,910 --> 02:17:34,000
cases of that sort that you want to

3004
02:17:41,939 --> 02:17:38,920
bring to our attention well I honestly I

3005
02:17:46,919 --> 02:17:41,949
don't nothing comes to my mind that is

3006
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:46,929
that significant I know there are self

3007
02:17:52,049 --> 02:17:50,290
I just haven't researched them when I

3008
02:17:53,459 --> 02:17:52,059
say that it sounds like well yeah you're

3009
02:17:56,879 --> 02:17:53,469
the international direction you thought

3010
02:17:59,149 --> 02:17:56,889
well I'm trying to maintain to the

3011
02:18:01,889 --> 02:17:59,159
financial structure and the

3012
02:18:05,099 --> 02:18:01,899
organizational flowchart in a manner

3013
02:18:09,809 --> 02:18:05,109
which it works for all of us so I don't

3014
02:18:14,820 --> 02:18:09,819
get a lot of the opportunity to research

3015
02:18:16,390 --> 02:18:14,830
these past events so I'm sorry I'm not

3016
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:16,400
any help there

3017
02:18:19,570 --> 02:18:17,840
well you're sure helping us and we're

3018
02:18:23,290 --> 02:18:19,580
learning a lot and we really appreciate

3019
02:18:25,780 --> 02:18:23,300
you being on the on the program MUFON is

3020
02:18:28,570 --> 02:18:25,790
a is a very highly visible organization

3021
02:18:32,169 --> 02:18:28,580
in this field and anything that can be

3022
02:18:34,750 --> 02:18:32,179
done to improve the organization to to

3023
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:34,760
create more funding streams and that

3024
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:36,290
sort of thing is going to be a full-time

3025
02:18:42,010 --> 02:18:38,630
job in and of itself plus you got to be

3026
02:18:43,150 --> 02:18:42,020
a politician at the same time so you

3027
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:43,160
definitely have your work cut out for

3028
02:18:48,550 --> 02:18:45,710
you and I I applaud your your work that

3029
02:18:51,780 --> 02:18:48,560
you've done this past year and and I

3030
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:51,790
hope it doesn't burn you out like it did

3031
02:18:56,530 --> 02:18:54,410
mr. James I didn't know that it was

3032
02:18:58,800 --> 02:18:56,540
going to be this involved in my life

3033
02:19:01,780 --> 02:18:58,810
most certainly didn't

3034
02:19:04,060 --> 02:19:01,790
so she says why are you focusing on that

3035
02:19:05,919 --> 02:19:04,070
UFO stuff but just looking at your

3036
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:05,929
background what is your professional

3037
02:19:13,590 --> 02:19:09,170
background are you retired now well no

3038
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:13,600
yes no I spent 35 years in real estate I

3039
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was a developer I built affordable house

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some thousand affordable housing units

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in northern Colorado we had a real

3042
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estate office had 75 agents three

3043
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offices and that was what I did for 35

3044
02:19:39,340 --> 02:19:37,130
years then I in 1998 I started a

3045
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Christmas tree farm which my wife and I

3046
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:42,620
am on and that gives me the business to

3047
02:19:46,450 --> 02:19:44,690
the something to do I like the outdoors

3048
02:19:49,150 --> 02:19:46,460
so I have the opportunity to work

3049
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,160
outside so that's what I am doing

3050
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:51,920
currently so I'm not really retired and

3051
02:19:56,110 --> 02:19:53,510
of course then I took on the

3052
02:19:59,710 --> 02:19:56,120
international director's position and

3053
02:20:01,841 --> 02:19:59,720
that is that's full time so I'm not

3054
02:20:05,261 --> 02:20:01,851
retired in any any sense of the manor

3055
02:20:09,610 --> 02:20:05,271
but Christmas trees and UFOs that's a

3056
02:20:12,910 --> 02:20:09,620
combination maybe we should have a

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02:20:15,580 --> 02:20:12,920
special Clifford Clift UFO angel from

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the top of the tree well as a matter of

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fact one of our best-selling ornaments

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are UF alien now that's a good question

3061
02:20:28,420 --> 02:20:25,250
too do you think that the popular

3062
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:28,430
culture of UFOs and aliens you know now

3063
02:20:32,590 --> 02:20:30,170
the greys do you think that

3064
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:32,600
unfortunately contaminates what we think

3065
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:37,120
or think we see I do I really do I think

3066
02:20:45,340 --> 02:20:42,170
Hollywood is really doing some things

3067
02:20:48,850 --> 02:20:45,350
that could be detrimental to a future

3068
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:48,860
contact and relationship the big sense

3069
02:20:54,670 --> 02:20:51,050
of fear I think is one of the big ones I

3070
02:20:58,719 --> 02:20:54,680
think they're imposing this fear factor

3071
02:21:00,730 --> 02:20:58,729
like happening on V and some of the

3072
02:21:03,820 --> 02:21:00,740
other shows and they wait do you see the

3073
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:03,830
movies coming out this summer yeah so

3074
02:21:11,380 --> 02:21:06,560
yeah I think it's people like to be

3075
02:21:13,150 --> 02:21:11,390
scared I have nieces and nephews boy

3076
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:13,160
they watch every horror film there is

3077
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,610
and I can't even go out and take them

3078
02:21:19,240 --> 02:21:18,080
with me out in the field at night out

3079
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,250
here because they're scared of what

3080
02:21:23,860 --> 02:21:22,160
might be there all you have to do is

3081
02:21:30,130 --> 02:21:23,870
look at what's going on in Washington DC

3082
02:21:31,900 --> 02:21:30,140
and that'll scare you that's about as

3083
02:21:35,320 --> 02:21:31,910
horrific as it gets I think in my book

3084
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:35,330
but yeah the other thing of course about

3085
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:37,610
the contamination do you think that

3086
02:21:42,429 --> 02:21:40,250
maybe whatever is responsible for the

3087
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:42,439
UFO phenomenon takes advantage of our

3088
02:21:47,890 --> 02:21:45,050
popular culture to give us what we

3089
02:21:53,820 --> 02:21:47,900
expect to see no I really don't I think

3090
02:21:57,219 --> 02:21:53,830
I think et's in my opinion I think it's

3091
02:21:57,940 --> 02:21:57,229
no contact type situation don't

3092
02:22:01,600 --> 02:21:57,950
interfere

3093
02:22:04,300 --> 02:22:01,610
so anyone says we contacted them other

3094
02:22:04,780 --> 02:22:04,310
than governments perhaps it's got to be

3095
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:04,790
a fake

3096
02:22:11,770 --> 02:22:09,290
that I would be very suspect we don't

3097
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:11,780
suspect the fact that we have Clifford

3098
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Clift international director of MUFON

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independent authoring so for over a day

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in the best you never know what's going

3213
02:27:04,050 --> 02:27:01,530
and this is our last few moments with

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02:27:06,179 --> 02:27:04,060
Clifford Clift of MUFON I'm Jean

3215
02:27:08,760 --> 02:27:06,189
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

3216
02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:08,770
on the power cast and I guess we're

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02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:11,140
gonna look here at the things you do

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02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:13,120
doing now in the future what are your

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02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:16,720
plans to help bring the UFO subject to

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02:27:20,969 --> 02:27:18,489
the public get more serious attention

3221
02:27:23,189 --> 02:27:20,979
certainly the book by Leslie Kane the

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02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:23,199
press conference recently things like

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02:27:28,590 --> 02:27:25,920
that have helped but what can you do to

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02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:28,600
get beyond where you've been for the

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02:27:36,540 --> 02:27:31,290
past 41 years well I think we have to be

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02:27:40,290 --> 02:27:36,550
more socially visible with the public

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02:27:43,050 --> 02:27:40,300
which means Facebook Twitter webinars I

3228
02:27:45,320 --> 02:27:43,060
think we have to be able to be more

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02:27:48,540 --> 02:27:45,330
accepted in the scientific community

3230
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:48,550
these are things we're all working on we

3231
02:27:53,849 --> 02:27:51,520
do have some scientific people from

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02:27:56,790 --> 02:27:53,859
credible universities that are now

3233
02:28:00,210 --> 02:27:56,800
members of neuf on and hopefully we will

3234
02:28:02,340 --> 02:28:00,220
be able to integrate them into duration

3235
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:02,350
and be able to get more information out

3236
02:28:07,710 --> 02:28:04,720
at the university level with youth that

3237
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:07,720
you were talking about earlier we would

3238
02:28:13,979 --> 02:28:10,090
like to be able to set up scholarships

3239
02:28:16,559 --> 02:28:13,989
for students in the science field that

3240
02:28:18,689 --> 02:28:16,569
would lean toward what the UFOs are

3241
02:28:21,809 --> 02:28:18,699
about because I think the youth is where

3242
02:28:25,050 --> 02:28:21,819
we will finally eventually come around

3243
02:28:27,050 --> 02:28:25,060
to having to run our operation and we

3244
02:28:29,790 --> 02:28:27,060
need to have people that are pretty

3245
02:28:32,460 --> 02:28:29,800
well-versed in the sciences and I don't

3246
02:28:34,740 --> 02:28:32,470
mean just hard science I mean the

3247
02:28:36,510 --> 02:28:34,750
supernatural aspect of things for lack

3248
02:28:39,389 --> 02:28:36,520
of a better word because I think there's

3249
02:28:42,599 --> 02:28:39,399
so much more to the UFO phenomenon than

3250
02:28:44,429 --> 02:28:42,609
just that hard hard UFO craft sitting

3251
02:28:47,070 --> 02:28:44,439
out there in my front yard do you think

3252
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:47,080
maybe that approach so his hampered what

3253
02:28:53,070 --> 02:28:49,330
MUFON has done all these years you know

3254
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:53,080
I don't think so i think if scientists

3255
02:28:59,400 --> 02:28:56,130
have just set on one aspect and not

3256
02:29:01,710 --> 02:28:59,410
decided to search further we wouldn't

3257
02:29:04,410 --> 02:29:01,720
have had quantum physics because that is

3258
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:04,420
strange stuff compared to what the hard

3259
02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:07,600
the not the quantum physic type of

3260
02:29:12,420 --> 02:29:11,050
studies done so I think yeah I think we

3261
02:29:16,620 --> 02:29:12,430
have to be in tune to

3262
02:29:18,990 --> 02:29:16,630
all aspects of the universe and I think

3263
02:29:22,170 --> 02:29:19,000
we have to be aware that there are other

3264
02:29:24,630 --> 02:29:22,180
things out there besides us and I don't

3265
02:29:26,760 --> 02:29:24,640
know that they're all bad what about an

3266
02:29:30,059 --> 02:29:26,770
end game here I mean we've been at the

3267
02:29:32,610 --> 02:29:30,069
UFO thing for a large part of my life

3268
02:29:34,920 --> 02:29:32,620
and probably your life and Chris

3269
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:34,930
certainly so is there an end game in our

3270
02:29:39,389 --> 02:29:37,210
lifetime are we going to see this maybe

3271
02:29:42,840 --> 02:29:39,399
in the 22nd century still figuring out

3272
02:29:45,929 --> 02:29:42,850
what UFOs are I think within the next 10

3273
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:45,939
to 15 years and then I'm prognosticating

3274
02:29:51,960 --> 02:29:48,850
but I think next 10-15 years we will

3275
02:29:54,059 --> 02:29:51,970
have a significant revelation about the

3276
02:29:55,500 --> 02:29:54,069
UFOs I just hope they don't try to land

3277
02:29:57,809 --> 02:29:55,510
on the White House lawn because there's

3278
02:30:00,780 --> 02:29:57,819
guys on the roof with stingers oh the

3279
02:30:02,219 --> 02:30:00,790
people ask me well they really exist

3280
02:30:03,570 --> 02:30:02,229
I'll believe when they land on the light

3281
02:30:05,700 --> 02:30:03,580
White House law and I said they're not

3282
02:30:08,700 --> 02:30:05,710
stupid they're gonna be shot if they

3283
02:30:10,590 --> 02:30:08,710
land there you know if they saw the

3284
02:30:12,450 --> 02:30:10,600
movie Day the Earth Stood Still not the

3285
02:30:14,910 --> 02:30:12,460
miserable remake but the original with

3286
02:30:17,340 --> 02:30:14,920
Michael Rennie they'd see that if you

3287
02:30:19,260 --> 02:30:17,350
land you're going to be shot at as soon

3288
02:30:22,889 --> 02:30:19,270
as the military figures out where you

3289
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:22,899
are even if it's not the plans or the

3290
02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:25,449
intention some trigger-happy frightened

3291
02:30:33,689 --> 02:30:30,310
young soldier might do it right it's you

3292
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:33,699
know what I'm sure that if the military

3293
02:30:39,330 --> 02:30:35,770
says if you don't know what it is shoot

3294
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:39,340
it is pretty much an attitude isn't that

3295
02:30:43,769 --> 02:30:41,290
you know part of a book called shoot him

3296
02:30:46,050 --> 02:30:43,779
down do you think yeah we tried to shoot

3297
02:30:49,380 --> 02:30:46,060
him down oh yeah there's no doubt in my

3298
02:30:51,450 --> 02:30:49,390
mind I think assess guilt I'm not sure

3299
02:30:52,769 --> 02:30:51,460
I'm saying his last name right but he

3300
02:30:57,979 --> 02:30:52,779
and Stanton Friedman wrote that book

3301
02:31:00,269 --> 02:30:57,989
shoot him down and the they in 52 when

3302
02:31:04,740 --> 02:31:00,279
Truman gave the order to shoot him down

3303
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:04,750
there were more airplane crashes at that

3304
02:31:11,010 --> 02:31:08,319
time by seasoned and veteran pilots than

3305
02:31:13,349 --> 02:31:11,020
any other time is that a coincidence

3306
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:13,359
so you think vane were shot back now

3307
02:31:19,139 --> 02:31:16,330
what about the Mantell incident where we

3308
02:31:21,570 --> 02:31:19,149
have this pilot in Kentucky he's

3309
02:31:24,450 --> 02:31:21,580
supposedly in pursuit of a UFO as plane

3310
02:31:25,870 --> 02:31:24,460
crashes now new evidence coming to light

3311
02:31:29,530 --> 02:31:25,880
suggests that you know what

3312
02:31:31,631 --> 02:31:29,540
the guy screwed up and he got too high

3313
02:31:34,091 --> 02:31:31,641
and he did the wrong things and he

3314
02:31:36,551 --> 02:31:34,101
crashed what do you think well I think

3315
02:31:38,591 --> 02:31:36,561
that's true but I think that his last

3316
02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:38,601
transmission of this thing's huge

3317
02:31:46,961 --> 02:31:43,450
is has to be considered in the evidence

3318
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:46,971
the plane crash was a little different

3319
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:48,650
type of crash than you would normally

3320
02:31:57,131 --> 02:31:52,130
find with a an airplane they either nose

3321
02:32:00,780 --> 02:31:57,141
in or or but they don't pancake in and

3322
02:32:03,940 --> 02:32:00,790
and as a rule that's pretty strange and

3323
02:32:07,511 --> 02:32:03,950
not having been able to ever anybody

3324
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:07,521
ever see the body that's interesting to

3325
02:32:12,730 --> 02:32:09,530
not know what the autopsy showed or if

3326
02:32:16,900 --> 02:32:12,740
there was one I think that the Mantell

3327
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:16,910
case has some very strong straight very

3328
02:32:23,320 --> 02:32:19,490
strong evidence that it was a UFO II was

3329
02:32:24,820 --> 02:32:23,330
after from the witnesses and every all

3330
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:24,830
the people on the ground of the seeing

3331
02:32:29,310 --> 02:32:27,530
the same thing and the traffic control

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02:32:32,890 --> 02:32:29,320
center

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okay now let's segue to 21st century

3334
02:32:37,180 --> 02:32:35,271
MUFON in the next few moments what

3335
02:32:39,310 --> 02:32:37,190
activities you guy is going to be

3336
02:32:42,820 --> 02:32:39,320
engaged in in the months to come

3337
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:42,830
well currently like I say we were out

3338
02:32:50,020 --> 02:32:46,250
getting a new website up and going we're

3339
02:32:52,180 --> 02:32:50,030
making changes on it we're trying to get

3340
02:32:54,341 --> 02:32:52,190
our webinars going we're trying to as

3341
02:32:57,220 --> 02:32:54,351
you can tell from our journal I know if

3342
02:32:58,961 --> 02:32:57,230
you've seen the ones recently but Janice

3343
02:33:02,520 --> 02:32:58,971
curry is our new editor and she's doing

3344
02:33:05,440 --> 02:33:02,530
an outstanding job with our publication

3345
02:33:07,930 --> 02:33:05,450
so we want to get that we want to be

3346
02:33:11,470 --> 02:33:07,940
able to have better communication

3347
02:33:14,051 --> 02:33:11,480
between all of our volunteers our field

3348
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:14,061
investigators and our members we want to

3349
02:33:20,320 --> 02:33:16,490
all be on the same page that takes a lot

3350
02:33:23,711 --> 02:33:20,330
of effort we want to be able to get the

3351
02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:23,721
information from investigated cases out

3352
02:33:29,020 --> 02:33:26,570
to the public currently what's happening

3353
02:33:31,541 --> 02:33:29,030
is people get on our internet and see

3354
02:33:34,180 --> 02:33:31,551
what our CMS cases are and start

3355
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:34,190
recording that stuff and we haven't

3356
02:33:38,051 --> 02:33:36,170
finished the investigation so we need to

3357
02:33:38,969 --> 02:33:38,061
be able to do something about getting

3358
02:33:41,790 --> 02:33:38,979
that

3359
02:33:45,380 --> 02:33:41,800
saw where we will be able to put up what

3360
02:33:48,779 --> 02:33:45,390
the real evidence is not just

3361
02:33:52,290 --> 02:33:48,789
circumstantial from the first blush of

3362
02:33:55,769 --> 02:33:52,300
the investigation so we've got a lot of

3363
02:33:57,870 --> 02:33:55,779
things planned we want to one of the

3364
02:34:01,979 --> 02:33:57,880
things that we want to do very strongly

3365
02:34:04,679 --> 02:34:01,989
is to develop more members we need more

3366
02:34:06,719 --> 02:34:04,689
field investigators and to be field

3367
02:34:10,580 --> 02:34:06,729
investigator you have to be a member of

3368
02:34:13,649 --> 02:34:10,590
new font and we just need a lot more

3369
02:34:16,769 --> 02:34:13,659
investigators and you never know when

3370
02:34:19,410 --> 02:34:16,779
these cm category 3 cases are going to

3371
02:34:21,330 --> 02:34:19,420
come up so we're driving very hard for

3372
02:34:24,569 --> 02:34:21,340
membership to get people to become field

3373
02:34:28,099 --> 02:34:24,579
investigators and of course we would

3374
02:34:32,340 --> 02:34:28,109
like to be able to say to the public

3375
02:34:34,319 --> 02:34:32,350
here's the smoking gun and that's going

3376
02:34:35,880 --> 02:34:34,329
to happen through investigations it's

3377
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:35,890
not going to happen through disclosure

3378
02:34:41,700 --> 02:34:39,010
from the government but how can we make

3379
02:34:45,260 --> 02:34:41,710
a change after all these years how do we

3380
02:34:47,729 --> 02:34:45,270
go from where we are now to the endgame

3381
02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:47,739
communication we have to be able to

3382
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:50,770
communicate we have to be able to have a

3383
02:34:55,800 --> 02:34:53,770
relationship with more people that are

3384
02:34:58,410 --> 02:34:55,810
in the scientific field so that they

3385
02:35:00,660 --> 02:34:58,420
will be on board with us that's the only

3386
02:35:04,200 --> 02:35:00,670
way we're going to get to disclosure is

3387
02:35:05,639 --> 02:35:04,210
to have the evidence in my opinion tell

3388
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:05,649
our listeners where they can get more

3389
02:35:10,859 --> 02:35:08,890
information about MUFON checking your

3390
02:35:15,739 --> 02:35:10,869
material online and possibly becoming a

3391
02:35:21,179 --> 02:35:15,749
member all they have to do is get on to

3392
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:21,189
WWF I am UFO ENCOM and you can report a

3393
02:35:25,139 --> 02:35:23,050
sighting you can join and become a

3394
02:35:27,059 --> 02:35:25,149
member and you can see all the other

3395
02:35:29,519 --> 02:35:27,069
information that we have up there for

3396
02:35:31,410 --> 02:35:29,529
people to see briefly we only have a few

3397
02:35:34,380 --> 02:35:31,420
seconds left your next conference will

3398
02:35:38,099 --> 02:35:34,390
be held at the end of July in Orange

3399
02:35:39,870 --> 02:35:38,109
County California as I mentioned earlier

3400
02:35:43,019 --> 02:35:39,880
story Musgrave will be our keynote

3401
02:35:44,760 --> 02:35:43,029
speaker we have some an excellent lineup

3402
02:35:50,639 --> 02:35:44,770
of speakers

3403
02:35:56,909 --> 02:35:54,359
that time and others that I can't

3404
02:35:58,529 --> 02:35:56,919
remember right now Morales will find

3405
02:36:00,210 --> 02:35:58,539
them all on the site as the updates are

3406
02:36:02,250 --> 02:36:00,220
done Chris O'Brien and where do we find

3407
02:36:04,500 --> 02:36:02,260
more of your stuff well I do have a

3408
02:36:07,380 --> 02:36:04,510
website it's our strange planet oh you

3409
02:36:07,830 --> 02:36:07,390
are strange planet com it is a strange

3410
02:36:13,260 --> 02:36:07,840
planet

3411
02:36:14,460 --> 02:36:13,270
about my books and my my field

3412
02:36:17,120 --> 02:36:14,470
investigative work in the San Luis

3413
02:36:21,599 --> 02:36:17,130
Valley and my entire data log is there

3414
02:36:23,069 --> 02:36:21,609
ok Clifford Clift of MUFON thank you so

3415
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:23,079
much for joining us this week on the

3416
02:36:28,949 --> 02:36:26,560
Parra cast Thank You Jane and Chris and

3417
02:36:32,300 --> 02:36:28,959
Chris does it not but I had dinner with

3418
02:36:33,559 --> 02:36:32,310
him back in 98 in Denver

3419
02:36:36,090 --> 02:36:33,569
[Laughter]

3420
02:36:38,429 --> 02:36:36,100
actually I do I do remember that it was

3421
02:36:41,519 --> 02:36:38,439
after I think international MUFON if I

3422
02:37:02,530 --> 02:36:41,529
remember correctly right would Tracey

3423
02:37:07,420 --> 02:37:05,020
this is a calibrated presentation of

3424
02:37:09,870 --> 02:37:07,430
making the impossible incorporated tune